false beats from ?? -...

[Andrew and Rebeca Anderson]

Ric,
I've wondered if CAing the pins is actually coupling the string to 
the bridge too.  I thought about that and figured it couldn't 
hurt.  I did voice the piano I treated with CA later and I didn't 
have falseness come back in a noticeable way.  It could be that the 
CA soaked into the surface of the bridge under the string making it 
better able to transfer energy.

I must agree with Joe on rust nodes being a potential source of 
falseness too.  Rubbing rusty strings down to clean them does seem to 
help.  That or the stretching evened things out... ;-)

Andrew Anderson

At 08:21 AM 12/18/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Dale
>
>Agreed on all points.  Which really just further goes to strengthen 
>my skepticism to the loose pin thingy.  There are just to many other 
>things that happen that seem to cause the same kind of 
>falsness.  Ok.. I admit it seems sexy enough to jump to the 
>conclusion that loose pins are the problem.  Over pull can stress 
>the pin one can argue and cause it to become just loose enough.  But 
>then again you can double check this and find the pin is not loose. 
>Or you can double check in other ways I've written in a couple other 
>posts.  Something about the loose pin idea just doesnt quite 
>wash.  None of this means we shouldnt use tricks we know help 
>aliviate the sypmtom mind you.  It just goes to looking further as 
>to what the root cause of this kind of falsness is. Same thing 
>really goes to the stringing processes.  If over pull or artificial 
>bending around the hitch pin contributes to falsness, then we should 
>avoid doing so.  That doesnt mean we understand whats really at work tho.
>
>There is another problem with the loose pin causes false beats 
>idea... there is no plausable mechanism for how loose pins cause 
>this beating given.  In fact there is no mechanism for how this 
>should work given at all as far as I can see.  Its just seemingly 
>..... accepted.  Looks like more of magic past to me.  Personally I 
>have a feeling that these various causes and manipulatives we 
>observe have to do with some mechanical coupling problem we have yet 
>to identify.  Perhaps it is some kind of phasing problem we are 
>looking at.  If we could identify the exact and direct cause... then 
>we could eliminate this kind of falsness every time... once and for all.
>
>Since we cant at present... seems obvious we havent identified the 
>root cause.
>Cheers
>RicB
>
>
>Hi Ric
>   I have waited for this subject to come up again  because I believe there
>is a cause that I've not seen addressed & fits into  what your experience has
>born out.  While I believe a tight solid pin,  proper down bearing & bridge
>angle are absolutely needed for good  string mechanics there are 
>conditions where
>all the right conditions for pure  strings exists but the wires are as false
>as Dollie Partons ........wigs. Grin.
>     I believe that a large part of string  falseness is caused or created in
>the stringing process in 2 ways.
>    1st, the string having a natural coil &  memory should be installed by
>allowing it to freely wrap around the hitch pin in  the natural bend or or
>coiled condition in which it takes as it comes off the  coil. Or so 
>as its' not
>bent back against itself. I believe this keeps the wire  from 
>excessive twisting
>as it is pulled to pitch.
>    Now if your not buying that one then here  is the no.2 reason is ,& I am
>absoultely convinced of  this.
>     I believe over pulling the string too  far above pitch in the stringing
>process  deforms the string. Its' that  simple.
>  We once had a stringer who was very good but we had  many false beats.  One
>day in conversation about this I  asked if  there was anything she could be
>doing to create this & she said no.   She said I always pull the 
>strings a half
>step sharp of there intended final  pitch as a I string just like you told
>me.
>    I said ^%$##!#$&*(*_) Slight  communications flop. I had told her to pull
>the strings only up to pitch as she  went.  SO after that the false beat
>issues were greatly reduced.  Also  we swicthed to the Mapes Gold 
>wire & I feel it
>produces even less falseness  than the Roslau wire.
>  My 2 cents worth for what its' worth
>Dale Erwin
>
>
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