Florida Piano People OT

[Sarah Fox]

Hi all,

Don wrote:
> >>Sorry to disappoint you but there is proof of global warming.
> http://www.environmentaldefense.org/documents/382_myths.htm

To which Dean responded:
> NOT.
>
> Look, if you don't want to start another religious war, stop promoting
your
> propaganda.

In fact there is *evidence*.  Contrary to popular belief, science never
offers iron-clad "proof."  For instance, science has offered VERY compelling
evidence that the Earth is round, but has it been "proven?"  No.  It can't
be proven.  It can't even be "proven" that there really is an Earth or that
this isn't all some sort of grand dream/nightmare/delusion of mine.  I'm not
just picking at words.  These concepts are important.  In the same sense, we
are approx. 99% certain that the Earth is warming over the past century -- 
by an estimate of around 0.6 C.  Proof?  Sorry, only evidence and
probabilities.  That's how science works.

So yes, science requires faith, and I guess that makes it a religion,
technically.  Good point, Dean.  Tuning pianos is also a religion, since it
requires the faith-based assumption that a piano really exists to be tuned
and that there is really such a thing as tuning.  It also presumes that
tuning of a piano (if such a beast exists) can be altered by turning a
tuning pin.  Is there really cause and effect here, or is some god or alien
being just making pitch go up and down as we turn tuning pins, so as to fool
us into thinking we are really affecting the pitch somehow?

Let's not even get started on the different philosophies of tuning,
regulation, voicing, etc.!!

So I guess everything discussed on this list is religion, technically.

Indeed, Dean, getting up in the morning is a religious activity, because it
requires faith that one was really asleep, that there is such a thing as a
bed, that there is some other reality beyond the bed, etc., etc., ad
absurdium.  Stay in bed, if there is one!

Dean continued:

> It is totally unfair to let one side say all they want but not
> the other side. As others are fond of saying, there are other forums where
> you can discuss this.

And once again, Dean is absolutely correct!  So let's be perfectly fair.
Let's take a hint from Rene Descartes and have a discussion on this list
that eliminates, or at least minimizes, faith-based arguments.  I'll start:


   I AM.


Dean, your turn...  Your response should be "I AM."  Beyond that, there
can/should be no discussion.  After everyone chimes in with an "I AM," I
propose that the list be dissolved, because there will be nothing left to
discuss without somehow invoking "religion."  ;-)

Peace,
Sarah