OT Politicals

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:16:20 -0700


Terry,

 I truly feel sorry for your gross ignorance and "pie-in-the-sky" naivety. I 
hope you take off your blinders soon and face reality.

David Ilvedson



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From: pianolover 88 <pianolover88@hotmail.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 09:55:37 -0700
Subject: Re: OT Politicals

><<John Kerry is the prototypical American, who would have found good company 
>with our nation's founders.  He is the very essence of a patriot.

>Peace,
>Sarah>>



>I truly feel sorry for your gross ignorance and "pie-in-the-sky" naievity. I 
>hope you take off your blinders soon and face reality.

>Peace
>Terry Peterson



>----Original Message Follows----
>From: &quot;Sarah Fox&quot; &lt;sarah@graphic-fusion.com&gt;
>Reply-To: Pianotech &lt;pianotech@ptg.org&gt;
>To: &quot;Pianotech&quot; &lt;pianotech@ptg.org&gt;
>Subject: Re: OT Political
>Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:44:02 -0400

>Geez Louise!

>Larry, Conrad, etc....

>&quot;ANTI-AMERICAN&quot; activities?

>&quot;UNPATRIOTIC?&quot;

>Just what do you think patriotism is?  Just what do you think it means to be 
>an American -- a good, loyal American?

>Do you think our country was founded by docile sheep, who mindlessly 
>followed the dictates of King George and paid their tea taxes like good 
>little subjects?  NO!  Our country and government (like most countries and 
>governments) was born from a rebellion.  Our founders recognized that their 
>government was unjust, despite the fact the &quot;law&quot; said otherwise.  
>This is how our founders explained themselves in a little letter to King 
>George, with bold facing added for emphasis:

>&quot;We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created 
>equal...That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these 
>ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to 
>institute new Government... But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, 
>pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under 
>absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such 
>Government...&quot;

>Our founders did not look to the law to know what was wrong and right.  
>Nobody had to TELL them they were being treated unjustly by Britain.  These 
>truths were self-evident.  It was therefore the DUTY of these people to 
>question unjust laws and policies and to rebel against them.  Why was it 
>their duty?  Very simply, they were morally obligated to correct what they 
>saw as being wrong with their state of affairs and the state of affairs of 
>their fellow colonists.  They were morally charged to right what they 
>believed deeply to be a wrong.  This is what it means to be a patriot -- to 
>love one's land and people enough to take the risk necessary to improve it.  
>Patriotism isn't about loving what your government is doing, whether it is 
>right or wrong.  Patriotism isn't about blindly and unquestioningly 
>following laws that may or may not be just.  These are the qualities of 
>sheep, not patriots.

>Patriots are people like Rosa Parks, who refused to sit at the back of the 
>bus, knowing she would probably be arrested for defying authority.  Patriots 
>are people like the mayors throughout this land who have defied the 
>&quot;Defense&quot; of Marriage Act and have married gay couples because 
>they believed the law to be unjust.  Patriots are people like the 
>&quot;right to choose&quot; activists and the &quot;right to life&quot; 
>activists, who may be on opposite sides of the issue but both believe 
>fervently in their cause.  Patriots are the citizen lobbyists who stream 
>constantly into Washington to try to change laws they feel are unjust.  
>Patriots are the conscientious objectors who refuse to pick up rifles and 
>march off to war, opting instead to go to prison if necessary, because they 
>feel war is wrong.  Patriots are the young men and women who enlist in the 
>military, putting their lives on the line in service to their country.  
>Patriots are the Peace Corps volunteers, many/most opposed to war, who often 
>put their safety on the line in hostile lands in pursuit of American ideals 
>and for betterment of the world.  Patriots are the Habitats for Humanity 
>volunteers who put in long, hard hours to elevate the living conditions of 
>the ever-growing ranks of impoverished countrymen.  Patriots are the people 
>who run the soup kitchens for their homeless countrymen.

>Patriotism isn't simply waving a flag and mindlessly saying, &quot;God bless 
>America.&quot;  Patriotism isn't showing up at the Fourth of July parades.  
>Patriotism isn't voting Republican or Democratic.

>True patriotism is seldom easy, and it almost never comes without sacrifice.

>Certain things are UNpatriotic:  It is UNpatriotic to &quot;vote for one's 
>pocketbook&quot; (i.e. vote out of self interest), without concern for the 
>ramifications for larger society.  It is UNpatriotic to break the law for 
>personal gain.  It is UNpatriotic to lie, cheat, and steal at a cost to the 
>well-being of one's countrymen.  It is UNpatriotic not to vote.  It is 
>UNpatriotic not to speak out when you feel something is wrong.  It is 
>UNpatriotic to blindly obey laws you feel are morally wrong.  It is 
>UNpatriotic to hold a public office and not use that position to fight like 
>hell for the betterment of America.  It is UNpatriotic NOT to question 
>authority.  It is UNpatriotic not to consider the larger implications of any 
>issue.  It is UNpatriotic not to think.  It is UNpatriotic not to act.  It 
>is UNpatriotic to be inert -- a &quot;sheep.&quot;

>It is UNpatriotic to accuse a person of being UNpatriotic or UN-American for 
>doing whatever his heart of hearts -- his deepest conscience -- tells him is 
>the right thing to do.  It is UNpatriotic to accuse someone of being 
>anti-American, just because he doesn't conform to your point of view.  (How 
>DARE you?!)

>John Kerry is anything but unpatriotic or un-American.  There's more patriot 
>in that man than we've seen from either major party in a long, long time!  
>That is the thing that most stands out about him.  He passionately wants to 
>make this land a better place.  What better thing could one say about the 
>man?  He's not in it for the money.  He's not in it to be ruler of the 
>world.  He's not in it for the power trip.  He's in it because he loves 
>America with all his heart.

>John Kerry is the prototypical American, who would have found good company 
>with our nation's founders.  He is the very essence of a patriot.

>Peace,
>Sarah

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