marking tuning pin holes for drilling.

[David Skolnik]

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At 09:17 PM 10/16/2004 -0700, David Love wrote:

>Rumor has it that the Steinway piano was originally designed that the pin 
>would ride against the plate.  Why not just install tuning pin bushings 
>when restringing a Steinway?  Except on some older models where the tuning 
>pin areas are countersunk, whats the reason not to?

>Really?!  Does this mean the problem is in my head?  Hmm.  Well, I guess 
>it isn't the first time.......  :-)
>Barbara Richmond


Before getting too much into it, try on these old threads:

Pinblock hole alignment         5/09/2001
TP bushings; was pinblock hole alignment        5/09/2001
Ditch the tuning pin bushings   5/10/2001

I haven't re-read them all recently, but the "rumor" in question can 
reasonably be attributed to "trouble" himself, Del F.  (See his Re: Ditch 
the tuning pin bushings  Sat, 12 May, 2001).

I don't remember being entirely satisfied with the way the thread resolved, 
or maybe it was Evolved, as, at some point, it moved to a discussion of 
Paul Larudee's Lo torq tuning pins. I do recall the discussion, though not 
the conclusions, regarding the difference in direction of force on the 
block in the Yamaha (bushed) and Steinway (unbushed) modeling.

>You would have to remove material from the plate hole...I'm sure someone 
>has done it...there goes the warranty...;-]
>
>David Ilvedson

Ron Overs stated, in the "Ditch..." thread that they do just that, among 
other things.

If this contact is part of the design, wouldn't efforts to produce a 
product WITHOUT this condition be, at the very least, misguided?

I was finding this condition in many new instruments of a particular 
manufacturer.  My observations were not well received.  Even if this 
configuration had been a part of the original design, I don't believe its 
more present-day manifestation was the result of intention.

Lastly, I wonder, how do you (no one in particular) reconcile plate/tuning 
pin contact with the various efforts outlined in the recent thread "Drill 
bit size for #1 gauge tuning pins"  (10/4/04)?

David Skolnik



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