P 12th in Tune Lab PRO

[Richard Brekne]

 >/ I'll agree with this as well. So... tell me David... after having 
first // dismissed (tho not necessarily demeaned) perfect 12ths in your 
last />/ post... can you honestly say you have put even a fraction of 
the effort // into checking out P12ths tuning as you obviously have to 
what you deem />/ to be Virgils method ?

/Great question, although I must say I didn't even come close to 
dismissing P12ths; in fact, here's what I said:

"For me, perfect 12ths are not nearly as important as slowly rolling, 
precisely moving 4ths, 11ths, and 18ths----much easier to hear, and the 
perfect stretch calculator, IMO. That said, my temperament and most of 
the octaves I set turn out to be part of close-to-perfect 5ths and 12ths."

That's nowhere near a dismissal, my Nordic transplant. I just said in my 
system, I've found that listening to 4ths, 11ths, and 18ths are easier 
and more accurate than listening to 5ths, 12ths, and 19ths, ALTHOUGH I 
listened to them, for most of my career, on every single note I tuned, 
especially above the temperament. So in answer to your question, I'm 
intimately familiar with the P12th protocol, having heard about it many 
years ago.

OK? Great thread, guys. Rock on, Ric, and my best.

David Andersen

Let me see now here David.... I am not sure I am clear as to whether you 
really answered my question.... Have you really put in the time and 
effort to checking out and mastering the P12's tuning as you have 
Virgils method ?

As far as the dismissal bit... lets first get straight what we are 
dismissing... or not, or whatever the in between case may be. The P 
12ths tuning doenst really deal with 5ths or 19ths.  It simply relies on 
holding 12ths pure.  Personally.. I have a hard time finding the use of 
the phrase "more accurate" applicable...(for either approach) one is 
tempted to ask.. "more accurate in relation to what ?"  to begin with, 
and secondly one definitely wonders about the fact that different tuners 
have different tastes, not to mention what they do or dont hear easiest.

As far as the 4ths, 11ths, and 19ths is concerned...  I find often 
enough the treble region gets stretched too far unless I allow these 
intervals to get a good deal quicker then what I would call a slow 
roll.  11ths at 0.3 bps for example will yeild a very close to pure 8:1 
triple octave... and  anyway you look at that you have quite the task 
fitting in the in-betweens.  Course if you like wide octaves up there... :)

OK !

Cheers my Cosmic Cowboy California Friend

RicB