---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment You have to make them yourself. I used a combination of the bench grinder and a dremmel tool. Here's a picture: If you don't have any way of making them yourself email me and perhaps I can be talked into making you a pair. --- Corte Swearingen <cswearingen@daigger.com> wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > Where do you find these voicing pliers? I'm curious > to see a picture of > one. From what I've read, standard vise grip pliers > are probably not the > way to go here. > > Corte Swearingen > Chicago > > > > > > "Dave Nereson" > > > <davner@kaosol.ne To: > <pianotech@ptg.org> > > t> cc: > > > Sent by: > Subject: Vise Grips voicing is not a vice > > pianotech-bounces > > > @ptg.org > > > > > > > > > 07/26/2004 01:45 > > > PM > > > Please respond to > > > Pianotech > > > > > > > > > > > > > I gotta side with David Love here, and others that > take this position. > Hammers that require draconian treatments such as > pliers-mashing to get > them soft enough to at all useable are not high > quality piano hammers to > begin with. Ok ok... lots of cheapos use such > hammers... and a mans > gotta do what a mans gotta do and all that I am > sure... but decent > voicing on decent instruments does not involve this > kind of thing. > > Cheers > RicB > > I strongly disagree. Yamahas, Kawais, Young > Changs, and a few other > Asians makes are considered decent instruments, yet > after a few years of > heavy playing (or even when brand new!), and in dry > climates, can exhibit > extremely hard hammers that break strings. Rather > than break up and cut > the > fibers with sharp needles, which, especially on > Yamahas, makes them pull > apart at the crown, I opt for, as someone else put > it, "deep tissue > massage". [Webster's Collegiate: Draconian -- . . > . ; barbarously > severe, > harsh]. Some of these hammers require severe > treatment. I wouldn't > consider it barbarous or harsh, if that's what it > takes to be able to get > them to accept voicing needles. As I said in > another post, the Vise Grips > are for gross, initial hammer softening, not for > fine concert voicing. > Steaming can also work if the hammers aren't > excessively hard, but it > affects mostly the surface and doesn't loosen up the > felt deep in the > shoulders. I don't believe in stabbing and stabbing > and pricking and > poking > until the fibers are all torn up, there are hundreds > of prick holes in the > hammer, and you've got carpal tunnel syndrome and > tennis elbow. --David > Nereson, RPT > > > > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > _______________________________________________ > pianotech list info: > https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > ===== Ryan Sowers, RPT Puget Sound Chapter Pianova Piano Service Olympia, WA __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: voicegrips.JPG Type: image/pjpeg Size: 30838 bytes Desc: voicegrips.JPG Url : https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/97/02/98/8b/voicegrips.JPG ---------------------- multipart/mixed attachment--
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