Rebuilding vs. Buying new uprights

ryan sowers pianorye@yahoo.com
Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:24:15 -0700 (PDT)


 I figure an upright should be able to be rebuilt for
about $13,500

Action $4000
Belly $6000
Refinish $3500
Am I way off here?

Here is what some new uprights list for (according to
Larry Fine's latest suplement to The Piano Book:

Astin Weight U-500 50" Oiled Oak $13,380
Baldwin 6000 Mahogany    $11,280
Bechstein 52" Walnut     $34,040
Bluthner 52" Walnut      $31,718
Bosendorfer 52" Walnut   $43,978
Boston  52" Ebony        $11,980
Broadwood 50" Walnut     $12,510
August Forster 49" Walnut $15,750
Grotrian 52" Ebony        $27,200
Haessler (Bluthner)52" ebony $23,254
Hoffmann 52" Ebony           $12,480
Kawai K-80 52" Ebony         $12,590
Mason & Hamlin 50"           $17,012
Petrof 53"                   $14,500
Pleyel 51" Mahogany          $18,780
Pramberger 52" rosewood      $9,990
Sauter 51"                   $19,800
Schimmel 52" Mahogany        $18,800
Seiler 52" Walnut            $19,180
Steinberg 52" Walnut         $13,050
Steingraeber 54" Ebony       $31,780
Steinway 52" Walnut          $26,600
Yamaha U-5 52" Ebony         $12,590

The typical vintage upright is 56" tall, Steingraber
is the only one to come close at 54". Many of the
finer vintage uprights feature beautiful veneers and
cabinet work that would cost a premium to build today.


Also There are many people who can afford high quality
pianos but find that grands just take up too much
space. 

Over the next 20 years I think that good vintage
uprights are going to become more and more
collectable. There is only a finite number of them out
there and they are dropping like flies. 

Ryan Sowers, RPT
Puget Sound Chapter
www.pianova.net



--- Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
> David Nereson wrote:
> "I guess any chewed-up wood or gaps will be filled
> by the glue you use when
> it's re-assembled, but the surface on which the new
> block is glued has to
> remain relatively undamaged."
> 
> I like the chainsaw idea for the pinblock removal. I
> used to trim trees
> professionally - now why didn't I think of that?
> However, you are correct
> that it will leave a "chewed up" set of backposts
> and spacers. That is one
> of the fabulous qualities of West System type epoxy.
> The more chewed up your
> surface is, the better it adheres! So no worry about
> that at all. In fact,
> if your surface is smooth, it is recommended that
> you rough it up with very
> coarse sandpaper.
> 
> Terry Farrell
> 
> www.farrellpiano.com
> 
> > > Drilling a few hundred holes?  I'm curious about
> this method.  Has it
> been
> > > described in the Journal?
> >
> >     Andre Bolduc demonstrated an L-shaped jig that
> screwed or clamped to
> the
> > face of the old pinblock, I believe, then hung
> down the top of the block
> > (piano lying on its back).  The part that hangs
> down has a guide for a big
> > foot-long, half-inch (or so) diameter drill bit. 
> You start at one end and
> > drill holes the depth of the pinblock (actually,
> height of the pinblock
> when
> > the piano is standing up in normal position) as
> close together as you can.
> > The drill stop or gauge or piece of masking tape
> around the bit is set for
> > that depth (actually height, that is, the
> pinblock's vertical dimension
> when
> > piano is upright).  Divide the width of the piano
> by the diameter of the
> bit
> > and that's approximately how many holes you have
> to drill.  Now there are
> > little bits of wood still between all the holes,
> since you can't drill
> holes
> > precisely next to each other or the drill bit will
> "find" or "seek" the
> > adjacent hole and not go straight.  You've got all
> these holes OOOOOOOO
> but
> > you have to remove the wood between the 'O' s --
> the hour-glass shaped
> > remaining walls between the holes.  I think he
> used a bil ol' chisel and a
> > mallet.  And I mean a 3-inch wide wide one and a
> big mallet.
> >     Once he chopped out the block, I think the
> surface was smoothed with a
> > router, then prepared for the new pinblock.
> >     Yes, it was described in the Journal, but I
> don't know which issue.
> >     Terry Farrel's method of renting a big
> circular saw, or maybe even
> using
> > a chain saw, seems easier.  A tech from our
> chapter once demonstrated
> > removing a Steinway grand pinblock using an
> electric chain saw with a
> > pre-set-up "track," or guide, attached to the
> stretcher.  But that's where
> > the block was doweled or glued to the stretcher. 
> In an upright, for
> > removing the sides or pinblock with a chain saw,
> you'd need some way to
> keep
> > the blade exactly vertical, or horizontal,
> depending on your set-up, so it
> > wouldn't chew up the sides or the back assembly
> too much.  I guess any
> > chewed-up wood or gaps will be filled by the glue
> you use when it's
> > re-assembled, but the surface on which the new
> block is glued has to
> remain
> > relatively undamaged.
> > OR:
> >     If you're rebuilding the whole piano,
> including refinishing,
> re-guilding
> > the plate, new block, new board, new everything
> else, then just leave the
> > old assembly in the driveway or back yard for
> several months, and after
> it's
> > been alternately rained on and baked in the sun
> several times, it'll just
> > knock apart with a small sledge hammer.    ;-)
> >     --David Nereson, RPT
> >
> >
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