RC vs CC again

Phillip Ford fordpiano@earthlink.net
Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:35:49 -0500 (GMT-05:00)


>>It wouldn't work that way. an RC&S board would have a different design. 
>>It would have a scale and bridge placement designed for the occasion, 
>>different rib set and cutoff bars, bracing, and different hammers than 
>>the original. It's not just a matter of crowning the ribs.
>
>Why not?  I thought compression crowning was the potential problem. If 
>there's a piano that I like the sound of, even if you think it's 
>inadequately designed, why wouldn't it sound just as good by substituting 
>a rib crowned board?
>
>Phil Ford

Which problem? Too many things are still being lumped together here as the 
same concern. I read this as, if compression crowning produces potential 
structural problems (this being the problem associated with them), why 
won't a substituted rib crowned board sound just as good? Are you talking 
about sound, or structure? What I mean is that the old CC board designs 
evolved along with the rest of the piano. Aspects of each have been adapted 
to aspects of the other. Dropping a state of the art Steinway style 
diaphragmmed compression crowned board into a Yamaha without changing 
anything else won't tell you much about which crowning system produces the 
best sound, because they're considerably different beasts. Sure, crowning 
ribs identical to the original and doing everything else the same can 
produce a nice sounding piano, even a great sounding one. Quite possibly 
the best sounding piano you've ever heard. From John Hartman's description, 
I assume that's exactly what he's doing. But it isn't designed to be a RC&S 
board, and is still primarily panel supported, so it doesn't answer your 
question of whether a great sounding RC&S board can be made.
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Ron,

Thanks for you comments.  I'm not sure that I understand what you mean by panel supported.  Are you referring to bending resistance of the panel itself, or are you talking about shear interaction between the rib and panel, as in a compression crowned board?  Or are you referring to something else altogether?  Why would you categorize a panel that has not been severely dried, and to which crowned ribs are attached, as primarily panel supported?
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There are currently two manufacturers contributing to this list who are in 
the process of beginning production of pianos with as close to pure RC&S 
soundboards as you'll find anywhere. I am very much looking forward to the 
results of both their efforts. The first couple of hundred production 
pianos should give us all ample statistical samplings to form an opinion - 
all of which will undoubtedly differ.

Ron N

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I look forward to that too (and to offering my opinion of course).

Phil Ford


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