compression ridges in New Baldwin grand

[Robin Hufford]

Richard Brekne wrote:

> Ron Nossaman wrote:
>
> >
> > >Hey... its you who preach the self destruct thing... what.... you trying to
> > >tell me that you believe the instrument will sound just as good whether its
> > >soundboard self destructs or not ??
> >
> > Why wouldn't it? - until it self destructs. I've seen it happen many times
> > and said so on the list.
>
> Im sorry... did you answer the question I asked there ??
>
> > When a previously nice sounding piano develops a
> > killer octave problem one winter that the customer complains about and
> > want's fixed, doesn't that qualify as something being wrong?
>
> If a customer has a complaint then you of course try to locate the source of his /
> her dissatisfaction.
>
> > Again, this
> > has been explained to you over and over again. You've never had this happen
> > in all the years you've been servicing pianos, and couldn't fix it with
> > voicing because it was a soundboard problem? If not, you are either
> > exceptionally lucky, unaware, or expert with voicing techniques.
>
> Of course I've run into the K point problem area. Who hasnt. It can show up in any
> piano when it comes down to it. As I've improved in voicing techniques I've
> improved in dealing with it, as with other areas that challange the voicer.
>
> > But that
> > doesn't answer the question. Have you known any of us to say that all
> > Steinways sounded bad (or even most Steinways, for that matter), or that a
> > good rib crowned board sounded better than a good compression crowned
> > board?
>
> If I am not to infere that CC boards are not doomed to the fate of sounding bad due
> to compression damage from what you and others have stated time and time again...
> then say so straight out and be done with it.  But it seems to me you've been at
> the forefront of those scorning the employement of the CC board for this exact
> reason.  How many times have we heard how these dont even make it to the dealership
> without being ruined ??

The last time was only a few weeks ago.  I guess Steinway has, all of a sudden, gotten
a bit better.

>
>   Besides... I have never accused anyone of asserting the rib crowned board sounds
> generally better then a cc board... I've been refering to the claims made as to the
> self destruct nature of the cc board and its real significance as relates to the
> real world of pianists and the pianos they choose to buy.
>
> > You haven't, because none of us have ever said that or anything like
> > it, that I'm aware of. Since you've been shouting this premise down so
> > actively of late, I'm wondering where you got it.
> >
>
> There you go putting words in my mouth again... I've not put that premise down at
> all... anywhere.  Its the claims of self destruct, leading to manditory inferior
> performance I've been refering too
>
> >
> > >Come on... Either you take a stand or you
> > >dont.
> >
> > Oh, I do, just not the conveniently and simplistically chopped up stand
> > you're trying to assign me.
> >
>
> Er... would that be the... they do sound good stand, or they dont stand,  or the
> that depends on whether or not they've self destructed yet stand, or whether or not
> the customer can hear the problem stand ?
>
> >
> > Ron N
>
> I'm aware of your stand Ron, and the reasoning behind it.... as are most of us
> regulars on this list.  Its just that there is this huge gapping hole in it that
> will not go away. Whether you want to recognize that or not is your buisness.
>

It won't go away, It won't be recognized either.
Regards, Robin Hufford

>
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