This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment See below: ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "David Love" <davidlovepianos@earthlink.net> To: "Pianotech" <pianotech@ptg.org> Sent: July 14, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: high or low? > Not being a scale design person, but judging from observation, I would > think high or low tension has to do with the amount of tension per = string > on average calculated using speaking length, string diameter and = target > CPS. Looking at various scale data, it seems that on average, in the = tenor > and treble sections, low tension pianos come in around 150 lbs per = string > while high tension pianos come in around 160 - 165 lbs per string. =20 These classifications are some arbitrary. I generally divide them up as = follows: Low Tension =BB 150 to 160 lbs. (68 to 73 kgf) Medium Tension =BB 160 to 180 lbs. (73 to 82 kgf) High Tension =BB 180 to 200 lbs. (82 to 90 kgf) Note that these are averages and apply only to the unwound tenor/treble = scaling. In most existing pianos tensions will vary all over the place = with hills and valleys going well above and well below these numbers. Pianos like the Steinway Model L and Model O are typical of relatively = low tension scales. Both of these scales nearly identical scales are in = the 125 to 145 lb (57 - 66 kgf) range in the top treble section, the 150 = to 155 lb (68 - 70 kgf) range (the L is a bit longer and higher) in the = low treble section, and from the 155 to 160 lb (70 - 73 kgf) range at = the top of the tenor section down to something less than 120 lbs (54.5 = kgf) in the Model O and something less than 130 lbs (59 kgf) in the = Model L. The low tenor of the Model L's that I've measured are some = longer than that of the Model O. But these were probably all N.Y. built = instruments--my notes don't tell me if any of them were Hamburg-built = and they may well be somewhat different. By the way, I must assume that the figure given in the Steinway web site = for the overall scale tension of the current Model O is incorrect. I = doubt the plates of the recent Hamburg Model O's I have examined would = long tolerate a scale tension of 19,000 kgf. This works out to something = like 41,850 lbf. Even if the bass has been cleaned up this figure seems = quite high. Our own rescale for this model (assuming original bridges, = etc.) works out to about 37,500 lbs (17.0 kgf). Even our Killer O scale, = complete with transition bridge, is only about 38,400 lbs (17.4 kgf). = Given the relatively short backscale found in these instruments 19,000 = kgf would pretty effectively tie the soundboard down and make for a = pretty tight sound. > > ... Bass > string scaling seems then to be calculated to create a smooth = transition in > total tension note for note through the bass. The question as it = pertains > to this thread and ETD users (and scale designers for that matter) is = how > these differences effect inharmonicity and loudness. Different scale > designers seem to choose to balance the effects of tension in terms of > loudness and inharmonicity in different ways while keeping other = limiting > factors in mind (such as breaking points). =20 I can only speak for myself, but my criteria for bass scaling are (in = order of importance): 1) Unison tension 2) Unison "power" 3) String inharmonicity. If these three are balanced within acceptable ranges, string breaking = points will take care of themselves.=20 The problem, from a scaling perspective, is found in the low tenor. In = both of these scales the strings at the low end of the tenor bridge are = excessively "foreshortened." From E-32/F-33 in the Model O and from = D-30/D#-31 in the Model L the length (and the resultant string tensions) = deviate significantly from anything resembling a log curve. This results = in a string tension at B-27 (the last unison on the tenor bridge) of = approximately 115 lbs (52.2 kgf) in the Model O and approximately 125 to = 130 lbs (56.8 - 59.0 kgf) in the Model L. It is possible to even out the = string (and, of course, the unison) tensions by simply increasing the = wire diameters of these lower strings--#20 wire in the Model L and #21 = wire in the Model O will do it--but the result will be a significant = spike in the inharmonicity curve. Still, this is the usual choice; go = for smoother unison tensions (hence, more uniform acoustical power) at = the sacrifice of inharmonicity. (Uneven inharmonicity bothers the tuner, = uneven power bothers the pianist.) Even in short scales like these, by using a transition bridge it is = usually possible to blend all three parameters in such a way that string = inharmonicity will yield a smooth, uniform tuning curve. Del Delwin D Fandrich Piano Designer & Builder Hoquiam, Washington USA E.mail: pianobuilders@olynet.com Web Site: www.pianobuilders.com ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/8c/7e/c2/09/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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