I need some advice

David Ilvedson ilvey@sbcglobal.net
Wed, 20 Nov 2002 17:31:49 -0800


I believe in Europe, refelting the hammers is often done...possibly this would be a good option.

David I.



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From: Isaac OLEG <oleg-i@wanadoo.fr>
To: Pianotech <pianotech@ptg.org>
Received: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 18:28:09 +0100
Subject: RE: I need some advice

>Hello,

>The biggest problems is in the new hammers always being thicker and
>with another felt quality than original ones.

>Then action ratio have possibly to be slightly changed to allow for
>the uses of these hammers, but tone changes are unavoidable.

>Having hammer copies is may be an option, but I would not expect them
>to be perfect.

>Another problem is that voicing methods based on US piano tone are
>very different from the voicing methods used on European pianos so a
>very few people will know how to give these Bechstein a Bechstein
>tone.

>Take it for what it is, in Europe too a very few know how to treat
>them.

>Beside, Bechstein hammers are glued at 90? and that play a role in
>tone.

>I am actually learning how and why change the vertical distance
>between hammer axe and whippen axe, to lessen friction and obtain more
>mechanical advantage when restoring antique pianos (shorter whippen
>heel for the most).

>Old Bechstein whippen can be changed for modern ones, the tone then
>will be more thick but more modern too.

>Anytime you install new parts the tone change, I'd suggest strongly
>that the whole action parts be changed, and the action worked as to be
>modernized.
>But as another option if you want to retain most of the original
>characteristics (and for a Bechstein that could work, as they don't
>need very tensioned hammer's felt) Have the heads reflected in Germany
>by Able (with new rollers, and new felt bushings and new pins on the
>original parts at the same moment.

>Then the less things will be changed, and very little needling will
>have to be done (but the base of the hammers will have to be needled
>to obtain enough body in the tone, and most tuners don't needle in
>there).

>Remember that when you begin to repair one part of an old piano, all
>the remaining defects show up (i.e.) you repair a worn keyboard, the
>touch feels better but you hear better that the hammers are shot, you
>change the hammers for new and hear that the old pinning is still too
>free, you change hammers and shanks, and when you check new whippen on
>a few notes you discover that it is the only way to have the piano
>sounding and feeling as if new.

>Parts age are somewhat paired, and the actual pleasing homogeneity is
>disturbed when you begin the repair, that may be well why your tuner
>is reluctant to give you any advice.

>Here in Paris , France, many "fine repair" are giving a piano that
>sound as an old instrument with a working action, but even when well
>regulated the piano is almost always sounding old if old parts remain
>in the circuit.

>That is pleasing enough many customers, but not the most sensitive
>ones. And often, they don't imagine how the piano is supposed to
>sound.

>Hope that helps, you can Email me privately if you wish more
>information (or ask your tuner to write me).

>Best Regards, and good luck.

>Isaac OLEG




>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : pianotech-bounces@ptg.org
>> [mailto:pianotech-bounces@ptg.org]De la
>> part de kam544@gbronline.com
>> Envoye : mercredi 20 novembre 2002 16:17
>> A : Pianotech
>> Objet : Re: I need some advice
>>
>>
>> >... I would really like any changes to
>> >be as faithful as possible to the original product, for
>> the simple reason
>> >that even as it is, this is one of the pianos I have
>> enjoyed playing most.
>> >It seems to fit me best... brian schembri
>>
>> Dear Mr. Schembri,
>>
>> Some of my thoughts:
>>
>> It can be done, but it is going to take an extremely sensitive,
>> experienced, knowledgeable person to replace just even the hammers
>> and have it still retain the character you sense, and still be the
>> piano you enjoy playing most.
>>
>> And once having embarked on the change, if you're not satisfied,
>> going back to the way it was will be well nigh impossible.
>>
>> Just my recommendation and opinion now, but be certain you are
>> unhappy with the way your piano performs before making
>> changes to it
>> that might make you really unhappy.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Keith McGavern
>> Registered Piano Technician
>> Oklahoma Chapter 731
>> Piano Technicians Guild
>> USA
>>
>> PS - Personally, I have no knowledge of technicians in France to
>> assist you. Others on this the Pianotech list might.
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