Hi Don and list, OK, serious suggestions from someone who did her dissertation on acoustical type stuff -- not an amateur to be ignored on this one... (Besides, I would like to think of technical exchanges being a two-way street. I wouldn't ask for information if I didn't feel I had some to trade.) > I wish someone would take two nearly identical pianos. Tune the duplex on > one by lowering the pitch as you recommend. On the other merely lower the > pitch and then *not* move the duplex. Then compare before and after times > on both instruments, as well as real time analyser data. I would appreciate this as well, and I will probably do it myself, once I have time and am able. I will add that in order to avoid bias on the part of the experimenter/technician, this experiment *must* be done completely quantitatively. GENERAL: I would highly recommend using an SPL meter (or better, a microphone connected to an oscilloscope. If available, the experiment would be improved by feeding the microphone signal through a bandpass filter (or even a graphic equalizer with the gain on the relevant channel turned up and the gain on the other channels turned down. This measure would eliminate noise. If at all possible, eliminate the lower frequency noises, since they are most likely to mess up your measurements. The experiment would best be done on the lower-pitch end of the duplex range, since dwell time would be greater. Also, it should be obvious that this should be done with damping/muting of all notes except the one note being measured. I would suggest doing the measurements on the *same* piano on several test notes (1) with the duplex in tune and muted, (2) with the duplex in tune and unmuted, (3) with the duplex out of tune and muted, and (4) witht he duplex out of tune and unmuted. Tuning and detuning can be accomplished from the tuning pin without moving the aliquot plate/bar. Detuning should probably be by 1/4 step. WITH SPL METER: Use A weighting if you have it. If not A, then C. Flat, band limited, would be next. Flat unlimited would be worst. The reason? Better attenuation of extranious noises. The A scale mimics human hearing, BTW. As for the response time, fast (125 ms halftime) is better than slow (1000 or more ms halftime, depending on manufacturer and adherance to ANSI standards). If you've effectively filtered your noise, you should have a steady reading and will not need a slower setting anyway. Finally, I suspect you'll need an old-fashioned meter with a needle movement, rather than a digital display. Although a B&K or even a GenRad would be great, the humble, garden-variety $35 Radio Shack model should be fine. These measurements are relative and therefore will not require the exacting accuracy of a B&K. Set the meter to as high a dB SPL range as possible so that a note can be played mf/f, but not with obvious distortion, just pegging the meter's needle. Watch as the needle falls from full scale to some arbitrary reference point. The +4 dB mark would be good. As the needle sweeps past the +4 dB mark, start a stopwatch. As the needle then sweeps past the -2 dB mark, stop the stopwatch and record the time. This would be the 6 dB decay time, which is the half-time with respect to the amplitude of the note. You could also do a 3 dB decay, which would be the half-time with respect to power (amplitude^2). I don't think anyone would throw stones at either measurement, but the 6 dB measurement would be easier to measure with some degree of accuracy, IMO. WITH AN OSCILLOSCOPE: Run the microphone through a bandpass, preamp, and into the scope. AC couple. Trigger however you wish. If possible, calibrate the oscilloscope readings with an SPL meter. Obviously the only reading that will be of beenfit to you on an O-scope would be peak-to-peak amplitude in the waveform. Use a slow sweep so as to get a nice line of peaks. Do your measurements as described above. A half-amplitude decay will correspond to 6 dB (e.g. from 6 divisions to 3). SCIENTIFIC PERSNICKITINESS: Repeat the measure several times and take an average. Then repeat the measurement in a lower dB SPL / amplitude range, playing a softer note. I suspect the half-time would come out longer. Here's where you get to do something scientists have to do: come up with an operational definition. You decide how to define your decay time for the sake of your study, and you stick with that definition. You must decide how loudly a note is to be played and precisely which dB limits define your decay limits. These should be the same numbers applied to all notes measured. HELP/COLLABORATION: Yes, I'm willing. I'm in Columbus, OH and frequently travel to Newport News, VA. If there are any RPTs in these areas or inbetween, I'll do the measurements if you do the piano. ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS: ... if you publish, yes, I would appreciate being acknowledged Peace, Sarah
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