Same kind, Renner made. I.O. > -----Message d'origine----- > De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part > de David Love > Envoyé : dimanche 12 mai 2002 20:19 > À : pianotech@ptg.org > Objet : Re: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts > > > Are you referring to Tokiwa parts with the moveable heel? > > David Love > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Isaac OLEG SIMANOT" <oleg-i@wanadoo.fr> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > Sent: May 12, 2002 11:10 AM > Subject: RE: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts > > > > David, all, > > > > Will soon be available whippen with the heel as a separate > part, an angled > > one is on its way too, plus more good ideas I believe. > > > > Email me privately for more if you wish. > > > > Regards. > > > > Isaac OLEG > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org > [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part > > > de David Love > > > Envoyé : dimanche 12 mai 2002 17:46 > > > À : pianotech@ptg.org > > > Objet : Re: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts > > > > > > > > > By profile I meant the height of the wippen heel. Sometimes it drives > the > > > capstans too low. I didn't know that about Abel shanks. > > > > > > David Love > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Isaac OLEG SIMANOT" <oleg-i@wanadoo.fr> > > > To: <pianotech@ptg.org> > > > Sent: May 12, 2002 3:25 AM > > > Subject: RE: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts > > > > > > > > > > Hello David, > > > > > > > > Been told that Abel shanks are Japan made. Used it once, and did not > > > > appreciate them a lot (profile not very good and strange wood) > > > > > > > > The profile on Renner parts (I believe you talk about the olive > > > & whippen > > > > flange) seems to work fine for me, anyway for replacement parts they > are > > > as > > > > good as I expect them. > > > > Are you speaking of the flat part in the profile ground vs. > > > rounded shape > > > on > > > > originals. This seems to change nothing in papering, actually, > > > if we don't > > > > paper all along. > > > > > > > > Even when stressed, the profile don't move, so I am expecting it to > work > > > > well in time (not warping, etc) > > > > But may be you don't have the same as mine, I will take a > > > picture of some > > > if > > > > someone wish, could post it privately (whippen, shanks & hammers) > > > > > > > > The profile on the Renner hammers sold by Renner is not very > > > suitable for > > > > Steinway in my HO, the felt is not shaped in a way we can obtain the > > > correct > > > > shape with filing (for German type S&S). Some better suitable > > > parts can be > > > > available on inquiry, but this should be a little expensive to send > them > > > to > > > > you may be. > > > > > > > > Regards. > > > > > > > > Isaac OLEG > > > > . > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > > De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org > > > [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part > > > > > de David Love > > > > > Envoyé : dimanche 12 mai 2002 08:21 > > > > > À : pianotech@ptg.org > > > > > Objet : Re: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renner parts on Steinways sometimes work fine, but not always. > > > Sometimes > > > > > the profile is wrong and the convergence line isn't correct. The > > > Steinway > > > > > wippens and shanks that I've seen recently have been fine, though > in > > > the > > > > > past they had lots of problems with pinning and warping. I still > use > > > > > Steinway hammers frequently and though they need lacquering to > > > > > build tone, I > > > > > like what you get from them. Renner blues are a good > hammer, but I > > > don't > > > > > really care for the tone on a Steinway. Ronsen's would be my next > > > choice. > > > > > I also have had good success with Abel shanks, the jury is still > > > > > out on the > > > > > wippens. We are fortunate that with Steinway there are many > > > choices of > > > > > manufacturers for parts. > > > > > > > > > > David Love > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "D.L. Bullock" <dlbullock@att.net> > > > > > To: "Pianotech@Ptg. Org" <pianotech@ptg.org> > > > > > Sent: May 11, 2002 9:48 AM > > > > > Subject: Jenn-you-whine Steinway parts > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have had almost idential experience with "Jenn-you-whine" > Steinway > > > > > parts. > > > > > > My answer is the same for Steinways as for any other fine piano > > > > > > rebuild---Renner, Renner, Renner. Hammers need almost no > > > > > voicing, shanks > > > > > > are great and wippens are great. You cannot go wrong with the > three > > > way > > > > > > Renner rebuild. You must get them from Renner USA and > Lloyd Meyer > > > (sp?) > > > > > in > > > > > > Carefree, Arizona. From anywhere else you may pay too much. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am very distressed about Steinway using Polyurethane > glue. Hot > > > animal > > > > > > Hide glue is all I would ever want to use for Hammers. > > > > > > > > > > > > D.L. Bullock > > > > > > www.thepianoworld.com > > > > > > St. Louis > > > > > > > > > > > > Original message--------------- > > > > > > Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 11:22:49 -0500 > > > > > > From: "Greg Torres" <Tunapiana440@cox.net> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: 1969 Steinway L CBS? > > > > > > > > > > > > FWIW... > > > > > > > > > > > > My latest and perhaps my last experience with Steinway > > > parts was not a > > > > > good > > > > > > one. I did a partial action rebuild recently for a customer's > > > > > 'M' because > > > > > of > > > > > > bad verdigree which consisted of hammers, shanks/flanges and > > > > > whipens . The > > > > > > customer insisted on genuine Steinway parts. As there was (and I > > > believe > > > > > > still is) a weird factory schedule going on at the time (last > > > > > November) I > > > > > > was not able to receive the pre-hung set of hammers and shanks > they > > > > > offered > > > > > > so I had to go with separate hammer and shank/flange sets. The > > > > > quality of > > > > > > the hammers was awful IMO and the average difference between the > > > hammer > > > > > bore > > > > > > and shank diameter was so great that the hammers > literally rocked > on > > > the > > > > > > shanks as much as 7-8 degrees. I sent this first set of hammers > > > > > and shanks > > > > > > back and when the second sets came back the hammers were even > worse > > > > > quality > > > > > > than the first and the bore/shank diameter was the same. For > > > > > example, the > > > > > > thickness of the reinforcement felt on the extreme treble > > > hammers was > > > > > about > > > > > > 1/8" compared to the original hammers which were about 1/32" > > > > > thick. These > > > > > > hammers were more like sponges! I had to literally saturate > > > > > these hammers > > > > > in > > > > > > hardner. > > > > > > > > > > > > Then I got a call from Steinway because they received > my returned > > > parts > > > > > and > > > > > > said that there was nothing wrong with the "fit" ....WTF? When > > > > > I gave them > > > > > > the specs of the original hammer bore they said that the > > > loose fit is > > > > > normal > > > > > > and that the factory can only bore their hammers to > that of what I > > > > > received, > > > > > > so if I didn't like this loose a fit then either send them back > > > > > (again, I > > > > > > lose money on my time, shipping and insurance, etc) or use > > > polyurethane > > > > > > glue... > > > > > > > > > > > > Because of time constraints and an increasing monetary loss > > > I wound up > > > > > using > > > > > > these crappy parts and polyurethane glue, you know, the kind > > > > > that expands > > > > > to > > > > > > fill gaps... > > > > > > > > > > > > I will not ever buy genuine Steinway parts again unless the > customer > > > > > > absolutely insists. And then I certainly will charge a hell of > > > > > a lot more > > > > > > money for repairs. Also, I got a call back from the client a > > > > > few days ago > > > > > > still wanting more brilliance in the treble...so I have > to go back > > > next > > > > > week > > > > > > and try more hardener or perhaps (yikes!!) different hammers... > > > > > > > > > > > > BUT, I will end this rant by saying that the quality of the > original > > > > > > Steinway parts was very very good, except for the verdigree > > > problem. I > > > > > saved > > > > > > them with thoughts of rebushing them perhaps. But I have heard > that > > > the > > > > > > verdigree will eventually come back even by doing this... > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > PS If anyone can recommend suppliers of substitute > (read: better?) > > > > > > hammers/parts for Steinways I am all ears...Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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