442 & back

[Isaac OLEG SIMANOT]

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Hello Stephane, Thanks for your answer.

Strangely, on the list some on my post are transparent !

I was thinking of 442 as a base pitch for the actual brass instruments in
Europ.

Where is it possible to check that ?

Regards.

Isaac OLEG
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  De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la part de
Stéphane Collin
  Envoyé : mercredi 8 mai 2002 11:39
  À : pianotech@ptg.org
  Objet : Re: 442 & back


  Hello Isaac.

  I read in Wolfenden that the brass instruments in orchestras are tuned to
A 440 Hz, but they all have this ennoying feature to dramatically raise
pitch (up to A 444 Hz) during concert performance, through warming up when
played.  So A 442 Hz would have been chosen to allow the whole performance
(brass plus other more stable instruments) to be reasonably in tune, or, so
to say, half less out of tune.
  Is it so ?  (Wolfenden is talking in beginning of this century, maybe
brass instruments have evolved since then).

  Best regards,

  Stéphane Collin
  (Brussels, Belgium)
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    From: Isaac OLEG SIMANOT
    To: pianotech@ptg.org
    Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:15 PM
    Subject: RE: 442 & back


    Hello, Steve

    Even Yamaha pianos are build for the 442 pitch lately I guess,( I've
read that on their guarantee card) so it will not affect structure of the
piano anyway.

    The fact is that everyone (musicians) here is asking for "concert pitch"
442 as a standard.

    Then, having to change pitch any direction is always a hassle, when I
have to do that for Radio France for example, I need to be allowed to bring
the piano to his desired pitch 2 days before the event, so it can stabilize
better. After that the pitch stay as it is since another express demand
comes.

    On pianos with tensioned hammers, the difference in sound is sensible,
and easily accepted by the instrument I believe, not that I don't like the
440 pitch, but I am more often dealing with 442, and get acquaintance with
it.
    Beside, if I sing a A by memory it is the 440 that I learned in my
younger days, and I am more close to it than to 442 (generally, I know David
will not believe me, but I recognize any note instinctually, and have a good
notion of A440 when not too tired)

    I wonder how high are your brass instruments tuned in USA ? Not that I
am sure of that, but I believe that most brass and wind instruments in
Europe are actually build to play at 442Hz .

    Any info from wind players ?

    All the best

    Isaac OLEG




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      De : owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]De la
part de Steve Kabat
      Envoyé : mardi 7 mai 2002 19:49
      À : pianotech@ptg.org
      Objet : 442 & back


      David- Obviously some educating is in order, to try to instruct people
who feel that a higher pitch is needed. Other than that , I would:
              a. refuse to tune at a higher pitch, citing structural piano
reasons, tuning stability
                  etc.
              b.  insist that they give a few days lead time so that the
piano can stabilize, and             refuse to do it if they dont.
              c. charge them a lot of money extra for all the hassle you
have to endure so that         one group in a million can have pitch set 2
cycles per second higher.
              I'm sorry, but I have little tolerance for this coddling of
artists who mistake pitch
                  for brilliance or timbre.  We as tuners need to educate
them and insist on a
                  standard or else much much compensation for our trouble.
I had a group
                  from Germany come to my school - I think they wanted 443
believe it or not,
                  and I broke the F# string above the bass/tenor break for
my troubles.  Yes. it
                  does affect even a nine-foot concert grand.
                  steve kabat

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