Greetings all, Been listening to a Werckmeister III on a freshly restored Steinway AIII. what a combo..... Newton writes: > I think that the reference to ET should be 1928 not 1828. I >likely misunderstood what Mr. Jorgensen said or took libatious >liberties. I dunno, it seems possible, if one took a lot of trouble, to tune ET in 1828. But I suggest that there are more pertinent questions, so I'll just pitch them out and as always, be interested in whatever various answers are posited. (yea, dang, this thread has probably turned into a temperament discussion, but this stuff just will not go away@!(:?}} So, some questions: Was there a market for this? Was there enough demand that tuners would have abandoned centuries-old harmonic values for a (much) more difficult temperament? And if so, who would teach them? Read Montal's instructions and give it a try. Use the contiguous thirds without checks and see how hard it is to get it close to ET. Did anybody here learn to tune ET to within say, 1.5 cents of perfect on their own without anything to read on the process or guiding advice from an already ET capable tuner? Think any of us could have done it in isolation? Is it plausible that ET was anywhere near the standard before several generations of instrument repairmen/choirmaster/voice-teacher/ whoever else had a tuning hammer in their hand between 1800 and 1900 struggled to achieve it? There were no schools, very scant literature, certainly less intermingling than today, and instrument builders all had their own temperaments, it seems. Does anybody question that somewhere in there ET took over? (If not perfectly measurable ET, then at least the 12 notes were close enough, ie, spaced evenly enough to be below the general audience's or users awareness.) Was it was close enough to deny any discernable "character" to the keys? Judging from the fin-de-sickle compositions, plausibly so. These and other questions lead me to believe that while the move from Meantone to Well-tempered, (which means "wholly tempered, not "finely" or "nicely" tempered), was caused by musical adventurers needing those other keys to be more musically useful, the move to ET was caused by its commercial appeal. It was a move that was in sync with a number of prevailing attitudes. Science was coming to the fore, ET is science, perfectly describable by math. The manufacturers were greatly increasing their size of business, they would have many tuners, and a single standard was easier to administer. With large numbers of valved horns beginning to appear in the 1840's, ET made a lot of manufacturing sense. Composers couldn't be avante-guarde if they followed their predecessors, so music DID leave its reliance on tonality for a spell. The move to ET was part of a bigger consolidation of culture across the western world. It was to harmony what the BauHaus was to architecture. The move from WT to ET represented trading the shaping of a palette of consonances for an unchanging standard, (which happened to be a brilliant 14 cent third). Musically, there is a distinctly different quality to the two systems. They are not interchangable if the maximum expression is to be had from the music. There's room for value judgement there, but the listening will be the final answer, and that is not a definite thing, either. Poor choices of temperament can be made when tuning non-ET. I suppose that is one perceived advantage of using ET, that a "wrong" choice cannot be made, but that security comes at a cost. The cost is depth of emotional involvement created by the harmony, and I will wind this screed up with the thought that this loss can be measured by the slowly fading interest in piano. We will never see the piano's importance return to its glory days of 1880-1920, we can't hope that it will replace things like gameboys, synthesizers, drum machines, radios, computers, etc. that absorb entertainment time today. We can't hope that everybody will blow up their TV and return to listening to piano music as a central activity. As technicians, we CAN hope to create a stronger attachment between pianists and their instruments, though, and it seems that the introduction of WT does that. It certainly has in my own practise. It is a powerful tool, it changes the music, it changes the musicians, and it can change technician's outlook on life. I have seen recently several instances where the WT tech is suddenly more in demand. It may behoove some to look at multi-temperament capability as more a financial asset than an aesthetic expression, but there is no need for the two to be exclusive. Regards, Ed Foote RPT
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