This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment Very well stated. My point I've trying to make for some time. Pitch and = interval tuning is in a constant state of flux, believe or not. Between = different philosophies of intervals, instruments with poor scales, = humidity and temperature changes, classical players maturity is based on = their ability to adjust...quickly. Just Intonation is a commonly miss-understood. Tuners view Just = Intonation is one way. Musicians (think) they understand it in another. = You are right on the money when you said that the understanding of pitch = is one of the last thing musicians are willing to discuss. Similarities of Just Intonation due exists quite heartedly in the = classical orchestral venue. Tom Servinsky,RPT ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mmeade1pno@AOL.COM=20 To: pianotech@ptg.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: Re: Just Intonation,(Long) Please, say what you really think! Professional "tuners" must live in = the realm of unadjustable (in performance) pitch, therefore endlessly = finding the correct or best set (or theory) of compromises to achieve a = desired temperament which most closely approximates the standards of = "intonation" from a given historic period. Performers on adjustable = pitch instruments must make these adjustments on the fly in performance, = and develop the ear and technique to constantly improve intonation.=20 Performers in established, professional ensembles (quartets, = orchestras,etc.) develop a unified philosophy on pitch or else they are = asked to leave. Therefore, a pattern can develop which is actually = recognizable. An ensemble which does not develop a consistent philosophy = on pitch takes more energy to listen to, and will eventually become = considered to be less polished than competitors. The conductor of a = large ensemble usually imparts his/her philosophy on the adjustment of = pitch. In a quartet, it is usually by committee (Makes for good = arguments!).=20 What possible differences can there be on "philosophy"? A group may = believe in different approaches on the width of "just" thirds. Many = violinists especially play wide thirds, and believe that "tempered", or = "piano" thirds are very narrow compared to proper thirds. Other ideas = hold that all intonation should be broken down note by note slowly, then = players need to try to duplicate their findings in tempo. This is = usually held by wind players. Other (believe it or not) carry their = Auto-tuners with them at all times, even PERFORMANCES, and insist that = all others need to adjust to them without regard to "Just intonation", = purity, only that all notes register on the needle. This, if at all = practical, would result in an entire orchestra playing only in ET! I do = not exagerate, a member of the oboe section of the NY PHILHARMONIC does = this! Ocassionally, informed members of a section (most often the French = Horns) will actually try to adjust pitsh towards just when given an = opportu! nity to be on their own. A sensitive musician will recognize = this immediately and marvel at the sections' co-operative spirit. This = can happen in quartets. as well I recently heard a performance by the = Tokyo Quartet. They started out with Schubert a minor. The width of the = minor thirds shocked me they were so pure(wide). Most classical = musicians believe that minor thirds must be very narrow to emphasize = their dark side, taking them to be even more narrow than ET. = Interestingly, when the quartet moved on to Brahms, wide Major thirds = and narrower minor thirds, like ET, gave the music greater intensity! = This was definately quite intentional.=20 One can not make generalizations about musicians in orchestras and = their approach to intonation anymore than performers can make = generalizations about professional tuners from their limited experience = or point of view.=20 Intonation is frequently the last subject musicians wish to discuss, = because it can break friendships faster than any other subject amongst = musicians. Only in situations where a consensus is reached that egos = will not be bruised or threatened by its' discussion can true progress = be made towards an ensemble playing beautifully in tune. Even then, it = must be understood that there is no such thing as perfect intonation, = that we must always be listening to improve the intonation, and that one = must never assume that he or she is the only "in tune" player(That every = one else is wrong).=20 Music performance is a flexible, dynamic experience, and the many = factors that contribute to good intonation are difficult and require = hard work on every performer's part. It is this element, more than any = other, that seperates the static result of a keyboard tuning from the = live experience of performance by flexible pitch instruments.=20 ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: https://www.moypiano.com/ptg/pianotech.php/attachments/02/68/69/0c/attachment.htm ---------------------- multipart/alternative attachment--
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