Don , Thank you for your response regarding the suggestion as to the physics of duplex sustain. Personally, I have never gone past the empirical phenomena itself in trying to scientifically explain it. But I do believe you have a good point, and I'll tell you why. Some years ago at my first PTG National which was at the Statler Hilton in NY, among other great and memorable events was a huge class by John Ford Senior on piano strings, stringing , pinning etc. My memory of this ancient event is marked by my recollection of a dispute I had with Big John on the question of bi chords. My point was : if you pull one side of a bi chord its bound to affect the tension and the pitch of the other side. John adamantly disputed this saying that the bearing points of the bridge pins, the agraffes, coils etc inhibited this consequence. After many years of tuning I am even more convinced that what you do to one side of the rope around a tree affects the other. Now transferred to the question of the duplex which you raised, this seems to be a cogent point. Steinway in his patent discusses various types of vibrations: transverse and longitudinal. At one point I tried to understand the original German text which translation has dubious authenticity, especially with Schwingungen and Langsschwingungen as the critical focus of the discussion. But I abandoned this because of my limitations in linguistics and the need to concentrate on the actual phenomena itself. But he did specifically discuss the affect of one part of the string on the other as you mention. So. Bottom line. I think you are probably right: that the excitation of the speaking length activates the duplex around the "trees" of the bridge pins, hitch pins etc. and this excitation "feeds back" to the speaking length increasing the sustain. After all , some physical cause does exist because the phenomena is palpable (to the ears, that is). Thank you very much for your input , and I look forward to hearing some "exciting" duplex scale tuning tales. Dan Franklin, RPT
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