Piano Rims (rambling post)

Phillip L Ford fordpiano@lycos.com
Fri, 28 Dec 2001 02:48:03 0000


Buyer Beware:  Rambling Post
Caution:  Many questions are posed - none are answered.

I've been pondering some things I've seen posted here over the past few weeks
along with a few (non-original I'm sure) thoughts of my own.
Among them, in no particular order:

Ron N - several links related to bamboo

Del F - thoughts about floating soundboards in the bass region

Del F - comments on Chickering's undercut or relief of some of their rims in the bass region

Stephen B - comments on older makers who deliberately made rims lighter in an attempt
to 'tune' the flexibility of the rim-soundboard system

Del F - rims play no part in maintaining soundboard crown as soundboards are so
compliant (is that the right word?) relative to rims

Mason-Hamlin website - rim is absolutely essential in maintaining crown

Various posters - discussions of waves, vibrations, etc. ad nauseum

Conventional wisdom that rims should be massive to provide some sort of solid inert
support for the soundboard

My own observations that many pianos that I like the sound of have massive
rims (both heavy and stiff)

My own observations that many pianos with light or flexible rims have less than
stellar sound


To come somewhat to the point,
I've been pondering whether rims should be massive or stiff or both and why?
Should the mass and stiffness be uniform or should it vary and why?

Some time ago I suggested that bamboo might be an interesting material for piano
rims.  Bamboo has very high strength and stiffness relative to its weight.  If you take
a maple rim as the standard then the bamboo rim could be stiffer and stronger while
being lighter.  Would this be a good thing?

My experience is that the pianos I like have massive rims.  However, if you look at
wood property charts for American hardwoods you'll notice that density and stiffness
go hand in hand.  If you pick a denser wood you get a stiffer wood.  So maybe the
pertinent thing about the pianos I like is that they have stiffer rims, not more massive
rims (the density is perhaps inconsequential).  Also, the pianos with less massive or
stiff rims that I don't tend to like tend to be low quality pianos.  Perhaps the reason
that the sound is less than stellar has to do with the design and quality of fit and finish
rather than the fact that the rim is not massive or stiff.  Perhaps the lightness or flexibility
of the rim is coincidental.

If the rim needs to be massive, then why?  I've heard it said that it is
'to reflect waves' back into the soundboard.  But I've also seen a few posts lately
that suggest that waves don't travel in the soundboard.

If the rim needs to be stiff, then why?  Is it to resist the tendency of the perimeter of
the board to move outward or inward as the board vibrates?  If the board is so much
more compliant than the rim then how does having a stiff rim help you?  Is it to
prevent the tendency of the perimeter of the board to move up and down as the board
vibrates?  If so it would make more sense to make the rim deeper rather than thicker,
which seems to be contrary to accepted practice.

If the rim needs to be stiff then why float the board or make undercuts in the rim
at certain spots?  Apparently the rim doesn't necessarily have to be stiff in these
areas.  Maybe the rim should be stiff or heavy in some areas but not in others.

How do the rim braces fit into this? I've heard it said that they are only there to
keep the belly rail from rolling.   If the rim needs mass then the braces aren't
helping much.  You'd be better off putting the material into a thicker rim and 
eliminating the braces.  If the rim needs
stiffness then many brace configurations don't help much in certain directions.  Many
are good at increasing stiffness front to back but do almost nothing side to side.
Do you only want the rim to be stiff in one direction and not the other?

If you want soundboard flexibility is it a good idea to thin the rim as some of the
old makers did?  It seems you would transfer energy to the rim which isn't seemingly
very efficient at transfering it to the air, but perhaps it is - there's a fair amount of
surface area there.

Perhaps you could carry this to an extreme and have the soundboard resting on
a thin knife edge around the perimeter, as in a guitar or violin.  Why would this
be a bad idea?

I'm interested in any thoughts or comments that you would care to share.

Happy New Year.

Phil F


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Piano Service & Restoration
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San Francisco, CA  94124


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