other story

[Paul]

Terry
Sorry for the late reply.........
----- Original Message -----
From: Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: other story


> > ....and because no one else can/will tune this way without an ETD.
I speak here for the tech in my area, some who use ETD's but don't tune
HT's. Their work is commendable.
>
> Have you, or anyone else, found that an aurally well-tuned HT (Kirnberger
> for example, but Vallotti or whatever) is any different from a VTD
> well-tuned HT? If so, why? What would be the source for any significant
> difference?

I think you'll find a difference because the ETD "listens differently" or
listens to different things than an aural tuner. Just like two individual
tuners will listen differently but get nearly the same results.

For example, IMHO, proper use of a SAT III (or RCT, etc.) on a
> S&S B tuning ET should result in a very nice tuning - and let's exclude
> individual preferences (which can be accommodated by proper use of the SAT
> III also). Take that tuning, tune that same piano with the appropriate
> offsets for the desired HT. Compare that SAT III HT tuning to an aural
> tuning of the same HT on an identical piano (let's assume the pianos
perform
> with similar characteristics). Will there, or should there, be significant
> differences?

Here again, I'd say there would be differences, how significant I don't
know. To the customer they wouldn't matter. Another tuner that can check the
accuracy of these tunings may find some discrepencies. My point is that in
my area, I don't know of any tuner using any temperament other than ET
whether they tune aurally or with an ETD. Someday maybe I'll own one, but
for now I tune aurally and am very excited to finally break into HT's which
I've wanted to do for years but was unsure how or where to turn. The LIST
has been very helpful and encouraging and provides  plenty of resources. My
thanks to all who have taken the time to reply with answers and additional
materials. I've known these temperaments were out there and were/are being
tuned by aural tuners. It's just taken me some time to find my starting
point. I encourage anyone who's never tried HT's to go ahead; use the
mentoring available.
>
> Very curious for some good info on this one. Thanks.
>
> Terry Farrell
> Piano Tuning & Service
> Tampa, Florida
> mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Paul" <tunenbww@clear.lakes.com>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: other story
>
>
> > Ed
> > I did charge a higher rate for these tunings, because of reasons you
> stated
> > and because no one else can/will tune this way without an ETD. Floor
> tunings
> > never do pay well, but something exclusive, especially with impressive
> > results justifies the extra charges.
> > I followed the instructions you handed out quite literally, and came up
> with
> > tunings that, I'm guessing, would be Kirnberger. For more practice, I
> tuned
> > a Story & Clark console with the instructions, and again came up with a
> very
> > nice, full sound. I'm just beginning to get a sense of latitude so I can
> > work towards a temperament that is more "Victorian." At this point I
find
> it
> > hard to relate what's developing for lack of experience. But IT IS
> EXCITING!
> > The reactions so far have been very positive and supportive. I'll be
> trying
> > it on a Steinway L, Kawai RX 5 and a Boston 196. I have a couple of
> clients
> > that are very open minded and will offer an alternative to them. I'll
keep
> > you posted.
> > And thanks for your support!
> >
> > Paul Chick
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <A440A@AOL.COM>
> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: other story
> >
> >
> > > Greetings,
> > >      Paul Chick was asked about his initial venture into non-ET in a
> > > commercial venue:
> > > <<Here's what they said:
> > >
> > >     "Oh!!! This is different. The piano sounds bigger. How did you
voice
> > it
> > >
> > > like this?...I just happen to know something in F#...ah it's a little
> > >
> > > harsh.(Elton John piece)."
> > >
> > >     "Oh man!!! If you can make a Kohler & Campbell (SKG600 Grand)
sound
> > like
> > >
> > > this, what can you do with a Boston or Steinway (grand)? Man!!! It
> sounds
> > so
> > >
> > > opened up."
> > >
> > >     "Oh my, you made this thing sound bigger! You said you did what to
> it?
> > >
> > > Can you make my piano at home sound like this!?!>>
> > >
> > >      This is really good news, and I hope Paul is able to extract a
> > premium
> > > price for his additional expertise.  He went to some trouble and
expense
> > to
> > > get it, and he took some extra risk in its introduction, so his
returns
> > > should increase to justify his initiative.   Money is a major impetus
in
> > > expanding ones abilities to a multi-temperament status.  Temperaments
> are
> > > tools.
> > >     Perhaps Paul could give us some idea of what strength temperament
he
> > > tuned, since I believe that the instructions I passed out were "Tuning
> to
> > > Taste" and allowed a great deal of lattitude for the tuner to make
their
> > own
> > > decisions. Paul??, (I feel like a fellow fisherman asking,"What are
they
> > > hitting on, today?" )
> > > Regards,
> > > ED Foote RPT
> > >
> >
>