Hi Ric, I have used small Vice Grip pliers for this, I think they are four inches or so long. They are in my kit for a variety of uses- the cutter will cut piano wire well incidently. With the adjustable stop built in the handle. Not trying to cut into your sales, just makes for one less thing to carry in the house. Can you tell my kit is getting too heavy? :) BTW, the technical theme for Reno this year is voicing for those who are interested. We will have voicing tutoring from basic to advanced, a new idea for this year. Space is limited so get your registrations in early. Best, Dale Dale Probst, RPT Member, TEAM20001 PTG Annual Convention Reno, NV --July 11-15, 2000 email: wardprobst@cst.net (940)691-3682 voice (940) 691-6843 fax TEAM2001 website: http://www.equaltemperament.com/PTG/ I heard the shoulders should be firm so the hammer wouldn't flatten but what do they know whom I read? With these discussions on "radical voicing" like steaming, wool softener, and massive needling I am wondering if voicing pliers should be reconsidered? My teacher ground down a linesman pliers so it "pinched" (from the sides) the hammer very well. One picture is worth a thousand words, suffice it to say the jaws ground narrower at the tips and wider towards the cutter. (now you really want a picture, I will try) There was also a limiting device so you couldn't squeeze too hard but I soon got rid of that as I could tell better by the feel what was going on. These pliers should work best on chemically hardened hammers and "nubs" hammers filed 3 or 4 times, I can vouch for nubs. Actually the common slip joint pliers should work as well. For the first 3 people who ask I will send them out for $7.00 post paid. If I get accolades then they should be worth $15.00 + S&H . Then I should figure out how to do a set that will squeeze hammers in uprights without taking the action out ---ric
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