>END OR PART ONE. -Joe Hi Joe, Part one, definitely part one: <G> Just curious where the twist strengthening thing came from. Since I can't think of any reason that would work, I'll have to remain unconvinced pending some actual testing. I hope you understand. Now the false beat thing is something else altogether. Since I've had plenty of hands on experience with installing strings, accidentally twisted and otherwise, and since I've intentionally twisted strings and intentionally not twisted them during installation as a quickie test of this theory, I can't buy that one either. Sorry again, but I can't hear any difference at all between twisted and untwisted ones. If there is a cause and effect relationship there, it seems like I ought to be able to produce the effect by initiating the cause. If I can't, then that isn't it. I find false beats to be mostly caused by loose bridge pins, demonstrated by pressing something (screwdriver blade, quarter, tongue depressor, key ) against the pin and listening as the beat stops. I've heard and read all the other theories, but when it comes down to chasing false beats in an actual piano, I haven't seen any evidence at all that it's happening because the strings are twisted, in spite of what the illustrious Dr White wrote in the book. Apologies to the late Dr White too, but that's the way it is. Along these lines, I don't see any reason an un twisted wire is any less apt to beat, since the beat doesn't result from the twist. Understand that I'm not talking about cranking four turns in a wire on installation, but the up to a half turn necessary to point the tuning pin in the right direction after winding the coil. I suppose it's possible to mess one up that way, but I haven't tried it. Dinner time approaches. I'm off to bite the bird. Regards, Ron N
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