Hi John, Though it sounds kind of backward, the going over a piano twice thing really is a good way to get your tuning speed up, whether you ultimately do single pass or double pass tunings in the field. I stumbled onto this all by my lonesome back when I was staring at White's book and trying to figure out what the heck a fifth was. Since then, I've suggested it to everyone who complained about being too slow, and every single one of those who actually tried it confirmed that it really helps. The problem I was having, as do most other relatively new tuners and/or perfectionists, was in trying to work out everything I could hear, at every level, down past the subliminal, and into the realm of imagination. Beyond a certain point, you're chasing phantoms. My suggestion was, and is, to make one pass over the piano as fast as you can move. Don't stop to make that fourth perfect, or diddle that thirds progression into ultra smoothness, or any such thing. Literally THROW a tuning at the piano. Then check it out to see what you did. You'll be surprised how close it is. Now, make another pass just as fast as you did the first one, somewhat refining what you did the first time over. Check it out again and touch up anything you find a problem with, if you can find a problem. Apply the lessons learned to the next piano. Repeat as necessary. The problem is what Conrad mentioned as the law of diminishing returns. Whatever you do, you can't tune past the resolution of the instrument any more than you can put five quarts of water into a gallon container, and you're wasting time attempting to on every tuning. The once over roughly approach is the approximate equivalent of pouring a little at a time into your gallon container until you ascertain it's capacity without wasting water. Once this concept soaks in (sorry <G>), you learn to anticipate the requirements and capacity of the instrument up front, and begin the tuning with a certain level of expectation as to the results. It's tuning triage. Sometimes, a perceived dog will yield a prettier tuning than you ever expected and you have to shift gears a bit and give it it's due. The opposite is also true. Consider the number of posts on the List about tuning problems with what are automatically presumed to be high quality pianos because of the names on the fallboards. That problem is the result of judging the instrument by some criteria other than the reality of that particular instrument. I suspect that those who say they don't have these problems with these pianos are simply adjusting their expectations to reflect the capacities of the instruments, and meeting them half way in a reasonable compromise. You have to judge and meet, but not waste any more time than necessary trying to exceed, the requirements and capabilities of each instrument you tune. There isn't a "one size fits all" approach, and that's the hard part to make your peace with. After you get this part out of the way and become comfortable with the faster tuning, you can cheerfully beat yourself up as much as you like on whatever infinite series of refinements you care to pursue (don't we all, in one way or another). The thing is though, you'll probably be doing it in under an hour. After that, you're on your own. Ron N
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