> Newt, Just to last part where you think treble clef readers have problem > with the bass of a piano and vice versa. Having taught with at least 50 people extensively and with a hundred or more with just a lesson or two I can categorically state that bass clef players easily learn bass tuning but have difficulty getting their treble as easily and visa versa. There are the exceptional individuals who pick up both quickly but for the vast majority they center on their musical experience. Sorry if that tweaks your bones but it is just a fact that I learned to cope with over 35 years of instruction. Trombone player, huh. Well Rutgers has turned out some truly talented musicians over the years. A few bone blowers, a couple of sax suckers, one or two horn honkers and more than a few piano pounders. God to know they are still out there making music. Newton
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