John 3:16 and Donald Duck on the Pianotech list.

[Lance Lafargue]

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John 3:16 and Donald Duck on the Pianotech list.It's interesting that
"religious influence" is so offensive, but profanity or the wide array of
other influences (and it is often very wide here) that enter onto this list
through the natural course of conversations are "OK" and should be tolerated
by "techs".  In fighting for their "freedom", some would take away the
freedom of others.  This list is not, nor has it EVER been piano tech
related 100% of the time because we are human beings.  If it were all tech,
the posts would be cut probably in half.  We wouldn't be talking about (from
recent posts) dogs, children's books, politics, or our families.
Relationships are formed here, too.  For an "all tech, all the time" info
site, visit the archives and search your topic.  Just be aware, some idiot
may throw in something unrelated in the posts.  Tolerance and consideration
should be exercised on all sides.

Lance Lafargue, RPT
Mandeville, LA
New Orleans Chapter, PTG
lancelafargue@bellsouth.net



  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-pianotech@ptg.org [mailto:owner-pianotech@ptg.org]On Behalf Of
vanbrussel
  Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 3:24 AM
  To: pianotech@ptg.org
  Subject: John 3:16 and Donald Duck on the Pianotech list.





    From: vanbrussel <vanbrussel@euronet.nl>
    Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 22:53:25 +0100
    To: <DGPEAKE@aol.com>
    Subject: John 3:16 on the Pianotech list.




    Christopher Witmer, in a recent post, quoted John 3:16;

    "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
    whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For
    God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that
    the world through Him might be saved." -- John 3:16-17




      And then (another pianotech subscriber) :

      Why does this upset you so much? Are you under conviction? Read the
verse
      again, insert your name instead of "the world" and see how it applies
to your
      life.






    Well Sir / Madam,

    I will try to explain to you why, yes.... it bothers me :

    In this opening sentence actually lies the cause and the answer (of my
being bothered):

    In the first place, I thought I am/was a subscriber to a so called
'pianotech list', a forum for piano technicians (and not specificly
'religious only' piano technicians).
    When I subscribed, I did so, because it said nowhere that one had to be
a piano tech AND be a member of any religion or church.

    By getting e-mail on that very pianotech list with religious material
like, :

    quote :

    "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
    whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For
    God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that
    the world through Him might be saved." -- John 3:16-17 "

    unquote.

    I am puzzled and annoyed.

    Why puzzled?
    Because, as I said before, I wanted to be a subscriber to a 'pianotech
related' list without sermons or any kind of religious influence.

    And why annoyed?
    Because I feel pressured to accept YOUR vision, YOUR way of living, YOUR
philosophy.

    You probably did not ask yourself (in this case) whether I had the WISH
and NEED to accept YOUR way, YOUR phantasies.

    Furthermore:

    Suppose I am a believer in 'Deity' Donald Duck...(and please, do take my
words seriously)
    How would YOU personally react to my asking you to accept 'HIS' (Donald
Duck's words? How would YOU personally react to my asking you to "insert
your name instead of "the world" and see how it applies to your life" ("For
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever
believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. ).

    You would probably feel very much insulted and you would considder it
blasfemy (and on top of that....on the pianotech list!)

    So, 'my point' is :

    Maybe I believe in Donald Duck?
    Maybe I believe in Allah?
    Maybe I believe in Buddha?
    Maybe I believe in the Thora?
    Maybe I believe NOTHING?

    I <<<<  try to have respect for others by (on a public forum like the
pianotech list) not openly push forward MY religious believe or opinion.
    If I would do so anyway, it would actually show my contempt for the
ideas of other persons, my personal criticism of what another human being
might feel privately in relation to religion, philosophy, or whatever way of
life.

    I did never want to write this letter in the first place, it did not
even come up into my mind!
    It shows, that by provoking subscribers of this list with YOUR religious
ideas, you FORCE and BOTHER other persons with something private THEY never
asked for.

    And that is exactly what I have against anybody, who forces his will
upon me...and I don't care whether it is political, religious, or Donald
Duck!

    May 'any' force be with you anyway.........because I wish no harm upon
you and forgive you.

    I just wanted to make this clear!



    Martin
    van
    Brussel

    PS.

    As I am still a subscriber to the Pianotech list, and as this all came
into the world because a religious subscriber of said list wanted his
personal religious opinion in public, I feel it necessary to make a
statement (I will however not disclose your personal name, out of respect).
    If other religious subscribers (on the list) then find it necessary to
use the pianotech list as a battleground for their personal pyilosophical
    beliefs, I will happily unsubscribe and switch over to a more neutral
territory.

    At least I know where I stand then.







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