A terrible piano

[Patrick Greene]

Ya'll,

I tuned a relatively new piano today.  It was called a "Pearl River".  Does
anyone know who makes this dog? The piano is two years old and has pins of
varying sizes, loose pins (like you would find in an old upright) front rail
pins turned sideways and many false beats in the treble.  I would have sworn
I was tuning a 75 year old Hardman upright.
----- Original Message -----
From: Farrell <mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: An Aural Adventure solved?


> > In other words, if A4 is at -4.8 when I first measure it, I am adding
4.8
> to
> > bring the number to -9.6...then offsetting..then set A4 from there.
>
> Please help me try to understand the problem Phil. When you first measure
A4
> with the SAT, A4 is at -4.8 - meaning that you measured A4 with the SAT on
> page 0 and it measured to be 4.8 cents below 440 Hz? Or are you saying the
> the SAT simply displays -4.8 when you have it set on A4? Then I don't see
> how adding 4.8 (I take it you mean subtracting?) to the -4.8 to get -9.6
is
> going to get you to A440?
>
> Please tell exactly what mode you had the SAT in and exactly what was
> displayed. Then indicate what pitch A4 was measured to be, etc. It sounds
> like an interesting problem, and I would like to fully understand it.
> Thanks. (thanks for your response to home alone!)
>
> Terry Farrell
> Piano Tuning & Service
> Tampa, Florida
> mfarrel2@tampabay.rr.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Phil Bondi" <tito@PhilBondi.com>
> To: "Pianotech List" <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 7:22 PM
> Subject: An Aural Adventure solved?
>
>
> > Recently, I posted a note here telling of my inability to have A4 come
up
> at
> > 440 after tuning a piano..I explained my aural tuning sequence..i'll
spare
> > you all of that and NOT repeat it again!
> >
> > I had a few private responses..but here is what I have found out since
> that
> > post:
> >
> > When finding out where A4 is when I start, I am now doubling that amout,
> > offsetting the machine(SAT), tune A4 to the offset, and aural tune from
> > there.
> >
> > Result:
> >
> > When I finish, A4 in on the $$$.
> >
> > In other words, if A4 is at -4.8 when I first measure it, I am adding
4.8
> to
> > bring the number to -9.6...then offsetting..then set A4 from there.
> >
> > I did this procedure today with a Yamaha C7..and I have had the same
> result
> > with some lesser grades of pianos over the last 2 weeks.
> >
> > I am not convinced that this much offset is really the way to go for an
> > aural tuner setting A4 from the SAT, but my results have been great
since
> I
> > started doubling the amount.
> >
> > I would like to hear from the strictly aural tuners on how they get A4
to
> > end up at 440. I would think that you would have to set A4 somewhat
sharp
> in
> > order for it to end up at 440.
> >
> > I am
> >
> > Curious Roo(k)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>