Wegman upright

[Joe & Penny Goss]

Hi Tony.
Wegman did not use this system. Their pins were without threads
 1 1/4 inch long and fitted into an oval plate hole with only friction
holding them in place.
Joe Goss
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Caught <caute@optusnet.com.au>
To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: Wegman upright


> Hi Phil
>
> I guy by the name of Sydney Beale (Sir) invented this system ? in Sydney,
> Australia, 100 or so years ago. If not this system, one that is very
> similar.
>            -----
>           /     /
>           /  o /
>           /     /      This is approximate shape of pin.
>           /     /
>         /        \
>       /_____\
>
> The iron frame is thicker where the tuning pins are installed.
> The hole is first drilled through the plate, then the hole is widened from
> the back and drilled with a reverse flair, then a thread is cut into the
> widened hole.
> The pin is standard at the front and flared at the back.
> The pin is inserted into the pin hole from the back and a lock screw is
> screwed in to hold the pin in its right position and provide a pressure
fit
> on the flared section.
>
> This method of using a tuningplankless pin system was used by other
> companies in England and America under their own name. But in this country
> is called the Beale patented tuning system.
>
> Beale piano company stopped using this system in the early 50's because
> Yamaha had just started making and selling there pianos in bulk in
Australia
> at vastly cheaper prices. Some of the list may remember these pianos, not
> the best pianos but the best value for money at that time.
>
> Beale carried on making pianos but they used the same iron frame with the
> thickness reduced (at the pin block area) fitted wooden planks and sold
them
> at a cheaper price.
>
> Thus I say cost in drilling, threading, fitting etc. is the factor.
>
> At the same time I am still tuning these pianos that are now almost 100 yo
> and they are as tight as they were when first made.  Sometimes the pins
> freeze into their position and the pin breaks trying to shift it, (the
tuner
> should pull the piano out from the wall, take of the backing plate and
> loosen the screw, tap the pin to loosen then tighten the screw again. But
> this seems to be too much work for some tuners in a hurry or lack of
> knowledge.
>
> There are thousands of these pianos still in use in Aussie Land.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: phil frankenberg <rinkyd@pacbell.net>
> To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 10:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Wegman upright
>
>
> > Tony
> > I would think it would be less costly to make a piano with the wegman
> > "principle".
> > No pinblock.
> > No fitting block to plate.
> > Shorter tuning pins without threads.
> > No drilling in pin block.
> > No driving pins in block.
> >
> > The only expense I can see would be the one time cost of changing the
> plate,
> > which would be offset by the savings I mentioned above.
> >
> > OR,,,  Wegman wanted too much for rights to the patent?
> > What do you think?
> > Phil
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tony Caught" <caute@optusnet.com.au>
> > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Wegman upright
> >
> >
> > > Cost Phil, Cost.
> > >
> > > Tony Caught ICPTG
> > > Australia
> > > caute@optusnet.com.au
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: phil frankenberg <rinkyd@pacbell.net>
> > > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Wegman upright
> > >
> > >
> > > > The wegman piano has no pinblock. The pins are not full length and
are
> > > held
> > > > in place by the shape of the hole in the plate and the pull of the
> wire.
> > > > This was a good idea that went by the wayside for reasons I'll never
> > > > understand.
> > > >
> > > > Phil Frankenberg
> > > > Chico Ca
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Newton Hunt" <nhunt@jagat.com>
> > > > To: <pianotech@ptg.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:23 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Wegman upright
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Drilling a hole in the tuning pin?
> > > > >
> > > > > Sales hype?
> > > > >
> > > > > Newton
> > > > >
> > > > > Clyde Hollinger wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Friends,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Today I tuned a 1910 Wegman upright serial 15799.  I am curious
> > about
> > > > > > something.  Cast into the plate was this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tuning pin fastening patented
> > > > > > June 15, 1886
> > > > > > November 11, 1902
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What does this refer to?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards, Clyde
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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