<< Wimblees@AOL.COM wrote: > A piano goes out of tune because of temperature and humidity changes. > Everyone knows that. << Wim, No, they don't -- not in my neck of the woods. At least not until I tell them about it, and even them some of the seem unconvinced. Clyde >> Clyde, I tuned pianos for a good 8 years before I ever even heard of humidity changes affecting tuning stability and I was just as skeptical as those customers because I couldn't understand how they would have any affect at all. I agree with Wim that you need to inform people about this. Having them understand in advance is better than afterwards by a long shot. Having them know what to expect makes it easier to sell a Humidity Control System and to get them to do other things like move the piano to a better spot and also provide general humidity control if that is needed. If you have a ready answer and sound like you know what you are talking about, people will at least listen. They may still be unconvinced because this may be something they have never heard of before, granted. But amusing as is was, Ron's scenario is not at all unlikely, no matter what you do or say, no matter how you do or say it. It's a pessimistic viewpoint, yes but it should be kept in mind when the time comes for you to decide that you did the best you could and did what was right but still lost the customer. I have a "nutshell" explanation that I give for this and would recommend that you come up with one of your own and slip it in where you can. I'd recommend first that you use it with all new customers, especially one where they say they had it tuned only recently and it is already out. If it has bad octaves across the bass/tenor break, you will immediately know it is because of a humidity shift. Next, do it with your old customers whose piano is now out of tune in this manner. Tell them the reason why it is out of tune before you start tuning it. Once you get all of your customers understanding the Humidity problem, you will at least have their understanding and it can easily get you sales of Dampp-Chaser products fro which you can make some tidy profits and have very happy customers. There are PTG handouts you can get that explain the problem. If you don't want to give one out to everyone, save them for the few who are still skeptical and give it to them *after* you have done your own explanation. Here is what I say: "Changes in Relative Humidity [the amount of moisture in the air] affect the piano's tuning because they swell the soundboard during dampness and shrink it during dryness. The soundboard is the large wooden surface you see in the rear (or from the bottom in grands) of the piano. It is actually a large diaphragm which produces the sound you hear. Now, you can't see any changes but it takes very little change at all to make the piano go out of tune. Unfortunately as well, when the piano does go sharp and flat with these changes, it does so unevenly and does it the worst right in the middle of the piano." If the piano has a crack in the soundboard that opens and closes, I point that out to the customer. After they see it do that a few times, the Dampp-Chaser system is easier to sell. If they have more questions such as why it is worse across the bass/tenor break, I answer them but if they don't ask questions, I leave it at that. If they still seem skeptical as in, "Well I used to have this one tuner for years until he retired. Why didn't *he* ever tell me that.?" I tell them what I told you, that I didn't know or understand it myself for many years, then I go get a PTG handout from a binder that I keep in my car. I say, "Here is a PTG publication that explains the problem". By the way, I *never* guarantee a tuning. I tell them it can't be done if they ask that question but I explain why. I rarely have a complaint, however about a failed piano tuning in a short time period. I learned to implement the many kinds of techniques that are spoken about on this List that I learned by attending PTG Regional Seminars and Conventions. I learned some of my most important techniques for achieving a stable tuning over 20 years ago from Jim Coleman RPT and the late George Defebaugh RPT. Sincerely, Bill Bremmer RPT Madison, Wisconsin
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