Coleman vs Coleman Tuneoff

[Michael Jorgensen]

Hi Lisa,
    ??? Your credibility is not "out the window" and controversy is a
natural part of this list.  I especially like what you say about music
being a combination of intervals which all must be acceptable.
     Using a lower level of stretch than Jim Colemans, I recall a
complaint from a very fine musician who noticed and objected to fast
10ths and 17ths.  High stretch advantages are that the top notes are
more musical with the mid range, and nicer 12ths and 19ths. 
Disadvantages are faster 10ths, coupled with still faster 17ths, wider 
octaves, and faster fourths.  This results in more beats not coinciding
in their speeds with each other--a rougher sound.  So it's a trade off,
and becomes a matter of subjectivity.  
     I do suspect from the one or two responses to my question about the
level of stretch used in other lands that it may be generally lower. 
Listening to Clavinovas, and foreign records also lends to this.
   IMHO stretch questions will never go away and neither will
controversy and revising of guild tests, but big changes likely happen
slowly--  So don't loose heart--keep working.
    
-Mike Jorgensen RPT   


> 
>   Controvercial things I remember now that my credibility has gone out the
>  window:
> 

>   2.  An interesting exercise Mr.Coleman used for tuning treble octaves was
>   to play a note in the tenor and then the high treble (one at a time) and
>  then have people in the room tell him when to stop tuning the hight note.  Of
>  course the note he was tuning came out really sharp.  He said he kind of
>  liked it sharper (it sounded more musical)  than most people were tuning that
>  area and sharper than where the ETD's usually are programmed to put it.  The
>  beginners mouths were open and silent.   I wanted to make the point that
>  music isn't just octaves but the combinations of many intervals and they all
>  have to sound at least acceptable.  Time was getting short and I know how
>  annoying it is when one person keeps asking questions in a room full of
>  people.
> 
>   I'll probably remember more later but for 1:30 in the morning this is the
>  best I can do.
> 
>   Redfaced but compelled to answer...
>   Lisa