pianotech-digest V1997 #1919 (long)

Ron Nossaman nossaman@SOUTHWIND.NET
Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:26:11 -0500 (CDT)


>Lets see, I recall some folks saying that the Skin of the plate is harder,
but I
>dont recall a consensus of opinion stateing that the plate as a whole is softer
>useing V-Pro. Quite the opposite, most of what I have read points to the
opposite.

* I read softer V-Pro, and case hardening in sand cast.




>Then there is the matter of the porish consistency difference between the
two types,

* I'll probably regret it, but I'd like an explanation of this too if you would.





>> Also, how does a
>> larger capo radius accelerate capo wear by not allowing the string to have a
>> precise pivot? That doesn't make any sense to me at all and I'd like it
>> explained. How can a longer support area for a given load, on a given
>> footprint width, result in accelerated wear of the support? This is contrary
>> to logic as I know it. How does this work? Let's backtrack and plug a few
>> holes before we hotly dispute anything else, what do you say?
>
>Grin ...I can only report the information and arguments as I read them,
Ron, but
>they make sense to me. The wear and tear on the capo by the string is of
different
>character if the capo is more a "clamped" termination then a "Pivot"  Your
"longer
>support area" for a given load analogy doesnt really hold true. The "given
load" is
>not there at all. The "load" is in fact different in each case, by virtue
of the
>fact that the "load" behaves differently in each case.

* Metaphysics aside, how can a bearing load resulting from a given string
tension, at a given deflection angle not be the same in either case? 



>Lets put it this way. If you were standing on a really like "big" V-bar
being really
>carefull to only tilt your feet forward and backwards, exactly
perpendicular to the
>bar, and then compare the amount of wear and tear on your feet and on the
bar to the
>same experiment on a wider rounder bar, then your conclusion would be
correct. But
>if in the case of the wider rounder bar you introduce some twisting and
sideways
>motion then the wear will increase dramatically.(Both on your foot, and on
the bar)
>This only makes sense to me.

* How would all this sideways motion, I'm throwing "twisting" out
altogether, get past the termination (tangent) point and wallow around on
the rest of the string/capo contact area to cause all that wear on all that
extra area? This doesn't make sense to me.  


>The precise pivot has the effect of limiting the stings motion in this regard.
>Whatever "flex" the string has at the termination point is "pivoted" in the
>direction of the pivot. If you replace the pivot with a wider, rounder
surfoace,then
>the flexing of the string is dispersed in several directions, thus increasing
>friction and thereby wear.

* Wear of the capo? Why? The *internal* friction increase would be in the
string, wouldn't it?


>Now.. be it known that this is not me talking as an authority. It is me
relateing
>what I have read. This part of the termination point as a "pivot" visa vi a
>"clamped"  point is supported in several places on the nett. There are lots of
>Universities running acoustics sides and several of these have short
explanations
>and/ or demonstrations of this. As far as I can see they are all in
aggreement with
>this.

* So where can I find all this information about how, *specifically*, a
large radius capo wears faster than a small radius under similar conditions?
Since this is at odds with my understanding of basic physics, I'd sure like
a cood clear explanation of how this works.

 
 Ron N



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