Cyber ears

[Marvin McDonald]

Richard and Jos,
I have used an ETD since I started tuning.  Many out there will tell you I'm
handicapped and I won't disagree but I can tell you this.  I used the Sanderson
Accutuner for many years and have tuned for several very astute pianist as well as a
gentleman who is one of the in-house composers for the Seattle Symphony.  I have a
rather large clentel database and I tune with Mike Reiter at the Universities here in
Tacoma.  I now use the CyberTuner in a laptop and I can tell you that is tunes just the
way you do.  It is based on aural tuning principles and listens for the very same
things you listen for before deciding that the note is correct.  The CyberTuner does
not just take a computer generated number, based on a formula, and use that as its
basis for a targe, but it analysis the piano being tuned and generates the best senario
for that piano as your tuning.  This method is 99% actuate.  Granted there may be times
when you'll come upon an extremes that the program will not handle well but then you'll
catch that and make the needed adustments as you proceed.  I am using the Cybertuner,
thanks to Mitch Kiel, to help me learn and sharpen my aural skills so that I can pass
the RPT exam this summer.  Its a great learning tool as well.

Hope this helps you all little bit.

---Marvin McDonald

Richard Brekne wrote:

> Jos wrote:
>
> > Richard Brekne wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi list
> > >
> > > I am intrigued with these computer tuners ie. cyber-ear and tunelab 97. But as I
> > > dont have access to a portable puter I havent been able to fool around with the
> > > latter yet.
> > >
> > > What I would like, if anyone out there uses them and would bother to take the
> > > time to gather the data, is a read out of a fully sampled piano after tunning,
> > > with as many partials as the program can pick up for all 88 notes.
> > >
> > > I suppose I am asking a lot <grin> and will have to wait till I can justify
> > > buying my own portable. But I thought I might give it a shot anyways.
> > >
> > > If anyone can be of help you can mail me at
> > >
> > > Richardb@c2i.net
> > >
> > > thanx
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > I tried tunelab
> >
> > http://www.wwnet.net/~rscott/
> >
> > I think, tuning programs should follow the same strategy as aural tuners
> > do. An aural tuner doesn't tune using absolute hearing, he listens to
> > beats! So maybe, a tuning program should try and  listen to beats to:
> > record
> > the pitch and modulating frequency of a beat, and use that to tune. Jos.
>
> I have thought much along those lines. A tuning machine that simply repeats in real
> time the actual beats per second registered for any given interval. This would leave
> much more control in the hands of the tuner. It would also be an invaluable learning
> tool with regards for getting a feel for beats per second.
>
> >
> >
> > --
> > ___________________________________________________________
> > J.G.A. van Riswick, Eindhoven University of Technology,
> > Eindhoven, The Netherlands. mailto://j.g.a.v.riswick@tue.nl
> > mailto://josvanr@xs4all.nl http://www.dse.nl/~josvanr