Hearing Aids and Voicing

Horace Greeley hgreeley@leland.Stanford.EDU
Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:53:33 -0800


I want to give a very strong second to Les' excellent advice.

Unless, of course...

Naw, I think (was it Sam) is going to need all those Weaver arms he can find.

I think I'd be inclined to put the softening solution on either side of the
hammer,
behind the crown.  3 or 4 drops.  Dave Stanwood's solution of 10cc alcohol
in a small
Gatorade bottle of water should do the trick nicely.

Take along a hammer iron, just in case you go almost, but not quite, too far.

Best.

Horace


At 02:42 AM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi, John and Danny.
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>One word of caution about attempting to needle those hammers, however
>slightly. Look closely at the hammer flanges. I believe that you will
>find that they are plastic. You know, the kind that crumble and break
>when you exert the slightest bit of pressure on them. MAKE SURE that
>you support those hammers firmly and carefully when trying to needle
>them, because those flanges will break very easily. I believe that
>both the wippen and damper flaanges are also plactic. Elbows, too.
>If you're concerned about being able to voice the hammers down by
>needling without breaking fragile action parts that can be a real
>PITA to replace, you might want to consider applying a softening so-
>lution such as fabric softner and water be means of a hypo-oiler to
>the hammers and play it safe.
>
>Les Smith
>lessmith@buffnet.net
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>On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Danny Moore wrote:
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>> jpiesik@arinc.com wrote:
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>>        I reshaped hammers on a Poole 1940ish s(yup, I did).
>>   <<snip>>  I talked to her after the shaping, and she says it is now
>>   too harsh/bright for her.  <<snip>>   Then she mentioned her hearing
>>   aids - she's 72.  <<snip>>  Should I turn those hammers into mashed
>>   potatoes to please her?  Something tells me to please the client,
>>   but something else tells me to avoid turning the piano into a fluff
>>   ball. . .
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>> John,
>> I'd say you've made an astute evaluation of the problem . . . most
>> hearing aids begin to roll off the lows pretty radically below 200 Hz,
>> which is not very low on a piano scale.  We have to guess that she has
>> sensorineural hearing loss, probably common presbycusis (no, that's not
>> the church she goes to) since they are attempting to correct it with
>> hearing aids.  Presbycusis is where the cochlea (little hair cells) in
>> the inner ear begin to die and are not replaced as a result of the aging
>> process.
>>
>> Yeah, I know you didn't ask for a biology lesson; bear with me, it is
>> relevant.  Usually, the high frequency content above 4000 Hz goes even
>> before the low frequency content.  Evidently, her hearing aids are
>> amplifying the high frequency content and she has not lost all
>> sensitivity to these frequencies.
>>
>> You're right, she's hearing too much of the upper partials and not
>> enough fundamental and lower partials.  Since it's likely that she has
>> lost some of her ability to hear the higher frequencies, I suspect you
>> won't have to soften the hammers as much as you would if YOU were
>> listening for the upper partials.  Most likely, a slight needling will
>> be all that's required.  The brightness will probably disappear for her
>> long before it does for you.  I would think that you would want her with
>> you as you begin voicing, after all, you've already made it sound good
>> to you, now you've got to discover what sounds good to her.
>>
>> Bottom line:  Make her happy.  At her age, she'll never buy another
>> piano and I'm sure her little spinet gives her as much pleasure as
>> anything in her life.  It certainly doesn't matter about resale value or
>> what the next owner might think.  If you make the piano sound like she
>> wants it to, you will forever be her hero.  If you don't, you'll be that
>> "young kid (even if you're 60 years old) who came in here and made my
>> piano sound like something Little Richard would play."
>>
>> Happy fluffing. . .
>>
>> Danny Moore
>> Houston Chapter
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Horace Greeley

Stanford University
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