Bill, I've been leading you in circles, the pins I'm distingusihing between are "cut thread" (Yamaha style) and "rolled thread" (most supply house brands). This "cross-hatch" thing was a misunderstanding on my part, so don't worry about its relevance to the initial question. FYI, I believe the brand on the box was Degen, but I may be mistaken, it was a while ago. Hope this hatches up our differences, Rob Kiddell R.P.T., P.T.G. C.A.P.T. Student Edmonton, Canada http://www.planet.eon.net/~atonal/atonal.html
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