[CAUT] [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts:OT RANT

[James Patrick Draine]

This weekend (NEECSO in Burlington, VT) Mike Callahan of WNG/M&H gave a class on hanging hammers with WNG parts. When Alan and I were at M&H for the week long class in November, we were in a very high ceiling room, and the glue odor was not noticeable.
Saturday's class was in a small room, and it was a bit irritating. Mike said after one of the factory hammer hangers complained about the CA odor they put fans into the action stations, sucking the CA tainted air away before it could drift up to the lady's eyes.
I'm quite sensitive to the low viscosity CA glue's fumes; I'll be using some of venting others have posted the next time I have to revive a spinet or console.
Patrick Draine

On May 2, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Paul Williams wrote:

> That sounds pretty good, Alan, but "slight eye irratation" was also an "out" for me. My eyes just plain hurt after using this hanging a whole set! I had a vent and goggles, the whole thing.  I don't know what this stuff is, nor do I want to. It stinks, it's nasty too fast a set up time; and  If there are other glues that will work with these parts, I'm all for  it!
> I really do like the WNG parts; don't get me wrong on this! I think we're entering the 21st century with some good ideas. 
> 
> I'll hold off a bit and see how this stuff evolves!
> 
> Best 
> Paul
> 
> 
> From: "McCoy, Alan" <amccoy at ewu.edu>
> Reply-To: <caut at ptg.org>
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 15:04:08 -0700
> To: CAUTlist <caut at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts:OT RANT
> 
> Hi Paul,
> 
> This set was my first using the CA gel glue. I actually liked it quite a bit other than the slight eye irritation. The fit of the hammer onto the shank using their bit was perfect without any kind of reaming necessary. When you first slide the hammer on it is really loose and floppy, which affords plenty of time to get it in place. You hold it for a couple seconds and soon it is stable. A short time later it is set. “Burning” these shanks is also much faster and easier than wood shanks and they stay where you put them. The whole process was faster. I also have used the Titebond molding glue and liked it very much. I generally like a loose fit and a glue with a longer set up time so the CA Gel, contrary to what I originally thought, is a good fit for my hanging process.
> 
> I went throught the WNG week-long seminar so I had some experience with the stuff. That was a great experience, btw, and you might consider signing up for it. I went to Haverhill, MA so it was held in the M&H factory. Well worth the time.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> From: Paul Williams <pwilliams4 at unl.edu>
> Reply-To: CAUTlist <caut at ptg.org>
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 12:08:11 -0700
> To: CAUTlist <caut at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts:OT RANT
> 
> Do you like the superglue quick setting glue?  I like having a little more time to line up the hammers when hanging.  Have they changed it at all? I complained to them about it (this was 2 years ago)  I would try more shanks with a better glue. When I hung the set on the M, I had about 10 seconds to get it right, and I don't like that. I also don't like glues that don't set up for several minutes. I've been happy so for with the Tightbond moulding and trim glue. Haven't had any long term problems yet. (knock on my head…)
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
> From: "McCoy, Alan" <amccoy at ewu.edu>
> Reply-To: <caut at ptg.org>
> Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 10:40:36 -0700
> To: CAUTlist <caut at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts:OT RANT
> 
> Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts:OT RANT 
> Yes. There is a lot to like about WNG parts. I am just finishing up a complete action install on a 6 1/2’ Young Chang that had bad brackets. I’m liking working with the parts – capstans, keypins, S&F, Wips, backchecks. I’m not changing out the backaction on this one though. This is my first time using Ronsen Weikert felt. I think it’ll be a winner, even if it is a Young Chang.
> 
> Alan McCoy
> 
> 
> From: Alan Eder <reggaepass at aol.com>
> Reply-To: CAUTlist <caut at ptg.org>
> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 18:51:13 -0700
> To: CAUTlist <caut at ptg.org>
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts:OT RANT
> 
> I'll second that notion. 
> 
> Alan Eder
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Foote <a440a at aol.com>
> To: caut <caut at ptg.org>
> Sent: Tue, May 1, 2012 6:28 pm
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts:OT RANT
> 
> Have you considered replacing those heavy, high friction original Steinway capstans with much lighter, slicker, WNG capstans?  you want to offer maximum performance or maximum authenticity?   I don't think we can have both! 
> Regards, 
> 
> Ed Foote RPT
> http://www.piano-tuners.org/edfoote/index.html
> 
>  
> 
> >
> > On a side note: I'm finishing up on the L that some people gave me grief
> > about. ,<snip> If it makes ya'll feel better, I used
> > the original 80 year old caps! As Steinway as I can get it.
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