[CAUT] [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts:OT RANT

Zeno Wood zeno.wood at gmail.com
Tue May 1 17:11:15 MDT 2012


Paul,

You rock!

On 5/1/12, Paul Williams <pwilliams4 at unl.edu> wrote:
> So why does Perlman use his coveted 1715 violin, and Yo Yo Ma use either
> of his coveted ancient instruments ( he used one from 1817 last year here
> for his concert at Lied Center) over anything produced today?  Is it just
> the old school thought?
>
> I'll check out the article tomorrow.I know how some people just can't have
> anything but a Steinway made in the '20's, but I've heard a few recently
> made or rebuilt that sound awesome..like one of our D's originally built
> in the late '80's but now all rehab to a point, and sounded great for
> several concerto's: Dare I say; It has Hamburg hammers!!!?? All else is
> your regular " NY parts"...whatever that means anymore; Yes new Kluge
> keys.
>
> On a side note: I'm finishing up on the L that some people gave me grief
> about. Yes, I  got the capstans perfectly in place and backchecks too,  no
> thank you; you nay-sayers! (RN and another 1 or 2)) These are keys made by
> a great maker in Oregon.  I'll back him up that his keys are just as
> precise as Kluge's, if not better.  If it makes ya'll feel better, I used
> the original 80 year old caps! As Steinway as I can get it.
>
> Pisses me off that some people come on this site and think I can not do a
> spectacular job when not having done something before: so to you
> naysayers; I did it! I received spectacular shop education in the past,
> have great woodworking and other shop skills, installed everything and
> it's right on the money! Geometry is spot on, backchecks right on, and
> it's coming along just fine!
>
> I learned from some of the best in the business on hand who actually
> cared, so I know what I'm doing even when alone.  I just asked for help
> once in awhile; having never done something. I know how it works, just
> needed a shoulder to lean on.
>
> Thanks to you who helped me and to those of you who didn't; Well...you
> know what to do.  You always do!
>
> Thanks
> Paul
>
>
> On 5/1/12 3:52 PM, "David Love" <davidlovepianos at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Check out the article in the Economist about a month or two ago comparing
>>the sound of various vintage violins against new ones. A blind listening
>>experiment. I won't ruin it by telling you which ones came out ahead.
>>
>>David Love
>>www.davidlovepianos.com
>>(sent from bb)
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Paul Williams <pwilliams4 at unl.edu>
>>Sender: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org
>>Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 20:29:31
>>To: pianotech at ptg.org<pianotech at ptg.org>
>>Reply-To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>Subject: Re: [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts
>>
>>As beautiful as a Strad sounds, the strings made in the day are not
>>available anymore..or are they?  Cat gut just can't be around.  Certainly,
>>a bridge must have been replace in 300 years, but Mr Strad didn't do it,
>>nor could have.  A tuning nut, etc, whatever:  When is the line drawn?
>>
>>I once was an actual employee for a piano store and was told to shut my
>>mouth when we held those huge warehouse sales and all I was to do was tune
>>and look busy!  Believe me, that only lasted a few months! I couldn't
>>stand hearing the salesman push "oh, this piano is all original and on and
>>on (looking at a 1930's Stark or something they were trying to push off
>>for $3,500!!!)  Ugh! "But look here at this beautiful new (%* grand you
>>can get for the same price!  No problems with it, one free tuning, and
>>you're good to go for years!
>>
>>Paul
>>
>>
>>On 5/1/12 2:57 PM, "Don Hubbs" <donhubbs at mwt.net> wrote:
>>
>>>You might try comparing yourselves with the craftsmen who set up other
>>>fine
>>>stringed instruments. There are better and lesser makes of violins, etc.,
>>>but no professional or even good amateur would play one right out of the
>>>box. They are often modified with better strings, bridge adjustments,
>>>fingerboard adjustments, etc., without which they would often be mediocre
>>>at
>>>best.
>>>
>>>If you are regularly called on to finesse concert instruments, let your
>>>customer know that, too.
>>>
>>>Salesmen are salesmen. They can sell a way too bright piano as "voiced
>>>for
>>>jazz", while keeping a straight face. You have to sell your craft as the
>>>finesse that makes all the difference.
>>>
>>>Don Hubbs
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Encore Pianos [mailto:encorepianos at metrocast.net]
>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:56 AM
>>>To: pianotech at ptg.org
>>>Subject: Re: [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts
>>>
>>>Well put, Jim.  And Steinway plays on that insecurity to the hilt.
>>>
>>>Will
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: pianotech-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:pianotech-bounces at ptg.org] On
>>>Behalf
>>>Of jim at grandpianosolutions.com
>>>Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:41 AM
>>>To: pianotech
>>>Subject: [pianotech] Gen-u-whine Steinway parts
>>>
>>>Dale I feel your pain.
>>>
>>>However, as a point of constructive discussion,  regarding human brains
>>>in
>>>general regarding this problem, I would like to look at this problem from
>>>a
>>>different perspective.  As a disclaimer, I'm sure you know that I share
>>>your
>>>passion for piano rebuilding as the committed pursuit of beautiful piano
>>>sound. (If it weren't for the possibility of creating beautiful sound,
>>>I'd
>>>probably just be selling life insurance or some other yuck-and-a-half.)
>>>
>>>But...let me set up a hypothetical scenario, with me as a piano buyer
>>>(assuming by some amazing stroke of unlikely-ness, I had some serious
>>>bucks
>>>to spend on a real nice piano.)
>>>
>>>In this scenario, if had come by enough money to manage a one-time, big
>>>bucks purchase of a piano, (as in get it right, because I wouldn't be
>>>able
>>>to try again), I could easily see myself majorly conflicted between a
>>>really
>>>fine rebuild and a big name-brand piano purchase.  Being brutally honest
>>>with myself, in my mind, given the funds to purchase a big name brand, I
>>>believe I would be conflicted in choosing a rebuild over a big name-brand
>>>piano despite that fact that the conflict goes against my very existence
>>>as
>>>a life long artisan-craftsperson/musician, and despite the fact that I
>>>know
>>>as a technician how lousy these new brand -name pianos sound on the
>>>"lot".
>>>
>>>Having only one shot at the "right" piano, especially when the
>>>acquisition
>>>of that "right" piano is so central to my experience of music, I know
>>>that
>>>the decision would have a great likelihood of creating some base line of
>>>disappointment.  And, though its irrational, and goes against everything
>>>that I know about lousy pianos sounding on the big-name piano "lot", the
>>>"authority" which brand names acquire would tempt me to put my trust in
>>>the
>>>brand as something larger and more authoritative than a single guy in his
>>>shop...therefore more likely of avoiding disappointment.
>>>
>>>My reasoning above is convoluted, irrational, and just plain bulls..t.
>>>However, I also know this line of thought needs to be countered in the
>>>working of my own mind.  I pin the conflict on some sort of evolutionary
>>>detritus, but there it is, despite the fact that it gnaws at the very
>>>foundations of who I am as an artisan...but...still...it is there if I am
>>>honest with myself.
>>>
>>>I solved this problem by making my own piano. it removes the money from
>>>the
>>>equation, and gives me control over the outcome, as well as tools ton
>>>overcome shortcomings.
>>>
>>>But I cheated.
>>>
>>>Customers don't have this control, and are utterly dependent on others
>>>for
>>>the outcome of their quest.
>>>
>>>Just some thoughts, as I mull over how one can actually sell a fine
>>>rebuild,
>>>regardless of how excellent the rebuild is, when we all are
>>>evolutionarily
>>>still somewhere at the level of a bloody pickerel.
>>>
>>>Jim Ialeggio
>>>
>>>--
>>>Jim Ialeggio
>>>jim at grandpianosolutions.com
>>>(978) 425-9026
>>>Shirley, MA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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