In these cases I find that going into the felt at an angle rather than straight in helps, almost as if you are separating the outer layers. Rather than 90 degrees to the surface try penetrating at 45 degrees or 60 degrees. Of course pliers works too, so does Snuggle (or so I hear). David Love www.davidlovepianos.com -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ron Nossaman Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 2:26 PM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Press vs Stab voicing (was Re: The Importance of "Subject:") David Love wrote: > In these situations forgo the rule about no crown voicing and just deep > needle all the way around the hammer including directly into the crown. I have no such rule! <G> I tried a little of that, and not a heck of a lot happened. I literally couldn't pound three needles deeply into the hammers, and I wasn't really interested in spending three times as long with one needle. It was a Schafer & Sons, after all. Since I wasn't apparently releasing much internal compression poking holes, I thought it likely safer in that case to use the Vise-Grip. Ron N > On Jun 11, 2010, at 10:03 PM, Ron Nossaman wrote: > >> I recently got the "opportunity" to voice down a Schafer & Sons
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