Hi Jim, Thank you. I did have a smiley after my comment about leaving, and Israel did make me realize, I was oversimplifying a very complex problem. Next term is the 21st year for me at the university, I have a contract with. Just a small one with 40 pianos, which they just have enough money in the budget, to tune and do running repairs on. An RPT designation without work experience, is meaningless. So to tell a University to higher a tuner with RPT after their name, could backfire, if they just got a tuner with RPT after their name, and no experience. Ok one more thought. No tests, but how about the book idea, with a record of classes and conventions attended. The fact that some teachers attended classes, without any intension of learning doesn't apply. I think that conventions probably cost the attendees, at least $1000. Any tuner spending that much money, is probably there to learn and improve him/her self. Having a record of attendance at which classes, should mean something, even without a test. So how about a book with different sections, showing the attendance. Sections could be tuning, voicing, regulation etc. When they hand in the class critic forms, they get it stamped and initialled. The book shouldn't cost too much to produce. Ok, now back to the lurking area. Best regards, John, Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu> To: <caut at ptg.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting Hi John, Don't take offense at Israel's comments, he hates everybody... <G> Just kidding Israel! But Israel and I have discussed this at length and he knows exactly what we're talking about and says that someday, if he can find the time, he'll actually develop a system that would work. There is no one more capable of it, IMO. For now "talk's cheap" shouldn't offend, because it's true. Like me, he's been the round with this topic many times and realizes how difficult it will be to enact such changes. You have good ideas that are ok to verbalize. Get back on the horse, cowboy. Warm regards, Jim -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of jrpiano Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 7:40 PM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting Ok, Israel. I'll quit thinking and making suggestions, about things I know nothing about. Obviously an oversimplification of a complex problem Sorry, back into my hole now. :-) John Ross Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "jrpiano" <jrpiano at eastlink.ca> To: <caut at ptg.org> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting > It was just a thought. > Obviously they would not lose the RPT status, but it would indicate a > willingness to progress. > The progress card would indicate that. Of course the person could rewrite, > and eventually pass, but then, they would know that step, be it voicing or > regulation. > It was just an idea I was throwing out, for possible further thought. > I know I have been attending voicing classes at conventions for years, and > I > always learn things, even although I might have taken the same course, > from > the same instructor before. > I took Roger Jolly's, and the Andre Oorebeek's course, and finally I am > beginning to see the light. > As has been said before, the RPT is just a start in the process, and not > the > be all end all. > > John Ross > Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada > jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu> > To: <caut at ptg.org> > Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:11 PM > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting > > > Hi John, > > (To all, I'm also thinking about CAUT Curriculum in this thread.) > > > I like your thoughts below, and if we were in a perfect world where nobody > cheated, nor grew old, nor had a bad day, it would probably work. But when > you add a pass/fail you add pressure, then the soap operas begin... > > What happens when someone fails? Do you offer retakes? If a person fails > does that person lose RPT status? What is the appeal/grievance system? > Etc. > etc. The devil is certainly in the details, and if everyone passed every > time that would also indicate a bogus system. > > If it is just an "attendance required" what if they sleep through it, but > attend? I saw a tenured High School teacher in a "required certification > meeting" where attendance was mandatory and he and a friend played chess > the > entire two hours, yet he got the required "whatever-it-was" because he was > there... > > > Frankly, I wonder if all RPTs could pass the tests again. For fun I > frequently test myself against the SAT, just to keep on my toes. My score > is > NOT 100% every time <G> but it is usually pretty good. Some days are > better > than others. Once not long ago I got less than the 80%! (FAILED!!!) It > ticked me off so I immediately retested myself and got in the 90s. But > isn't > that like cheating at solitaire? I wonder how I'll do at age 95? > > Keep thinking. It keeps us all on our toes. > > > Best, > Jim Busby > > > > If not retesting, why not a class at conventions with a test. > The classes could be more involved than the original tests. Covering > different areas each year. > It would increase the attendance at conventions. > Attendees would be advancing there knowledge. There could be a book that > would be stamped each time. The book having been issued when the RPT > status > was reached. > This would prove to all, that progress was being made, and the person was > not stagnating, content with the initial pass. > John Ross > Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada > jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3029 - Release Date: 07/26/10 > 03:36:00 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3029 - Release Date: 07/26/10 03:36:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3031 - Release Date: 07/27/10 03:09:00
This PTG archive page provided courtesy of Moy Piano Service, LLC