[CAUT] Re Retesting

[jrpiano]

Ok, Israel.
I'll quit thinking and making suggestions, about things I know nothing 
about.
Obviously an oversimplification of a complex problem
Sorry, back into my hole now. :-)
John Ross
Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jrpiano" <jrpiano at eastlink.ca>
To: <caut at ptg.org>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting


> It was just a thought.
> Obviously they would not lose the RPT status, but it would indicate a
> willingness to progress.
> The progress card would indicate that. Of course the person could rewrite,
> and eventually pass, but then, they would know that step, be it voicing or
> regulation.
> It was just an idea I was throwing out, for possible further thought.
> I know I have been attending voicing classes at conventions for years, and 
> I
> always learn things, even although I might have taken the same course, 
> from
> the same instructor before.
> I took Roger Jolly's, and the Andre Oorebeek's course, and finally I am
> beginning to see the light.
> As has been said before, the RPT is just a start in the process, and not 
> the
> be all end all.
>
> John Ross
> Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
> jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Busby" <jim_busby at byu.edu>
> To: <caut at ptg.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 8:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Re Retesting
>
>
> Hi John,
>
> (To all, I'm also thinking about CAUT Curriculum in this thread.)
>
>
> I like your thoughts below, and if we were in a perfect world where nobody
> cheated, nor grew old, nor had a bad day, it would probably work. But when
> you add a pass/fail you add pressure, then the soap operas begin...
>
> What happens when someone fails? Do you offer retakes? If a person fails
> does that person lose RPT status? What is the appeal/grievance system? 
> Etc.
> etc. The devil is certainly in the details, and if everyone passed every
> time that would also indicate a bogus system.
>
> If it is just an "attendance required" what if they sleep through it, but
> attend? I saw a tenured High School teacher in a "required certification
> meeting" where attendance was mandatory and he and a friend played chess 
> the
> entire two hours, yet he got the required "whatever-it-was" because he was
> there...
>
>
> Frankly, I wonder if all RPTs could pass the tests again. For fun I
> frequently test myself against the SAT, just to keep on my toes. My score 
> is
> NOT 100% every time <G> but it is usually pretty good. Some days are 
> better
> than others. Once not long ago I got less than the 80%! (FAILED!!!) It
> ticked me off so I immediately retested myself and got in the 90s. But 
> isn't
> that like cheating at solitaire? I wonder how I'll do at age 95?
>
> Keep thinking. It keeps us all on our toes.
>
>
> Best,
> Jim Busby
>
>
>
> If not retesting, why not a class at conventions with a test.
> The classes could be more involved than the original tests. Covering
> different areas each year.
> It would increase the attendance at conventions.
> Attendees would be advancing there knowledge. There could be a book that
> would be stamped each time. The book having been issued when the RPT 
> status
> was reached.
> This would prove to all, that progress was being made, and the person was
> not stagnating, content with the initial pass.
> John Ross
> Windsor, Nova Scotia, Canada
> jrpiano at win.eastlink.ca
>
>
>
>
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