Greg,
You misunderstood
mentioning it to them and expecting them to treat them
with care are very different things. I still believe the value should be
mentioned. You might have also overlooked my comment that they will decide
only part of what you tell them is of any merit. :>)
jeannie
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From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Greg
Newell
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:12 AM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] pushing pianos
Jeannie,
You must lead a charmed life. I’ve told students how much
concert instruments cost and they say “Wow” and proceed to treat them
exactly as they would have otherwise.
Greg Newell
Greg's Piano Forté
www.gregspianoforte.com
216-226-3791 (office)
216-470-8634 (mobile)
From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Jeannie Grassi
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 12:03 PM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] pushing pianos
I don’t think you can be too careful. Do mention every precaution you can
think. The students will decide that only some of it is worth paying
attention to. (I speak from years of experience.) It wouldn’t hurt to
mention to them how much a single instrument costs. So many pianists
(adults included) see pianos as big sturdy machines and don’t realize how
delicate and vulnerable they can be. I can see some of your responsibility
in educating to be along these lines. Good luck and let us know how it
turns out.
jeannie
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From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
reggaepass at aol.com
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:40 AM
To: caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] pushing pianos
This responsibility should not be passed along to students under any
circumstances. It will not teach them anything about the proper care or
treatment of a piano. It is exploiting the students for an easy solution.
Don’t take on this responsibility. Ultimately you will be the responsible
one. You might want to reconsider taking this on.
Hi Jeannie,
Thank you for your caution and concern. You are absolutely right that I/we
are ultimately responsible for situations like this, and even if we aren't
we are likely going to be the ones tasked with (cleaning up after the
parade." Allow me to clarify something: For the summer high school music
camp that takes place here at CalArts, I am always present when a piano is
being moved. One has to go a fair distance, and the piano instructor
(himself a piano technician!) wants to use the opportunity to teach whatever
can be taught to pianists who find themselves pushing pianos around.
So far, I don't believe anyone has mentioned the first thing that I tell
people who are helping me, which is not to push from the lid, but from the
rim (corners of the keyboard end). Am I being unnecessarily careful here?
Thanks,
Alan Eder
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeannie Grassi <jcgrassi at earthlink.net>
To: caut at ptg.org
Sent: Fri, Jul 23, 2010 8:14 am
Subject: Re: [CAUT] pushing pianos
Hi Alan,
I have to agree with David, here. Why is the piano being moved this way?
I can also share a similar experience to what Keith related.
The local school decided that it was up to the custodial crew to be in
charge of moving the grand piano from one building outside, through a
parking lot and to another building for a performance. The custodians
couldn’t be bothered so they told the teacher to be in charge . He recruited
some students (high school) to take care of it. To make the story shorter:
There was a slight slope,
. there was a pothole,
.in a flash there was a
stage dolly without a piano and a piano ..and there were 3 broken legs and
lyre and crushed trapwork in addition to numerous other problems. One
student barely avoided being crushed. The parents were livid (as well they
should have been). The teacher? Angry with the kids for screwing up and
making him look bad. (He is no longer teaching there.)
This responsibility should not be passed along to students under any
circumstances. It will not teach them anything about the proper care or
treatment of a piano. It is exploiting the students for an easy solution.
Don’t take on this responsibility. Ultimately you will be the responsible
one. You might want to reconsider taking this on.
Jeannie Grassi, RPT
Bainbridge Island, WA
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From: <mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org> caut-bounces at ptg.org [
<mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org?> mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
David Skolnik
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:42 PM
To: <mailto:caut at ptg.org> caut at ptg.org
Subject: Re: [CAUT] pushing pianos
OK there Alan -
You've had some interesting and funny replies, so let me be a bit of a
Debbie Downer. WHY? Why are you moving a (grand?) piano a long distance on
a dolly? Why are you employing (?) a group of high school students? Do the
kids have insurance? Do you, or your institution have insurance? Do their
parents know? I like Ron's reply, but it should have looked more like this:
Inadvisable. If there's ANY way not to, don't.
If not:
Supervise! Someone of legal age needs to be there to fill out the accident
report paperwork.
If there's ANY way not to, don't.
Lid down, fall board closed. I know, but it's not necessarily obvious to
high school kids, some of whom have likely never thought before.
If there's ANY way not to, don't.
No more than three touching the piano at any given time. Trade off as they
get tired, with the rest of the crew over there out of the way. Steering and
speed control by mob whim can quickly become the end of piano function as we
know it. Also dangerous for the moving units, whether they understand that
or not.
If there's ANY way not to, don't.
And so on...
And, of course, if there is any chance at all of some calamitous mishap, you
should, obviously, have someone filming it. There has to be some good to
come out of all this.
David Skolnik
Hastings on Hudson, NY
At 11:21 AM 7/21/2010, you wrote:
In a few days, I will be moving a piano on a stage dolly a long distance
with a group of high school piano students. We are not turning it on its
side on a skid board, but simply pushing it. What collective wisdom should
I be to impart to these impressionable youths about how the do-s and don't-s
of pushing around pianos?
Thanks,
Alan Eder
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