I rarely order Steinway hammers so I don’t know but Dale Erwin has had a recent experience, I think, and I don’t believe there was any charge, though he reported it took some convincing to get them to send them out that way. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of PAULREVENKOJONES at aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:18 PM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hammer-Lac In a message dated 2/18/2010 3:06:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, davidlovepianos at comcast.net writes: Unless you tell them not to. Which will cost you extra, they claim. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Laurence Libin Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:33 PM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hammer-Lac Are you sure that Steinway still dopes the entire hammer? Laurence ----- Original Message ----- From: David Love <mailto:davidlovepianos at comcast.net> To: caut at ptg.org Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hammer-Lac My only issue with that beefing up the shoulders only on a Steinway hammer is virtually useless. The hardener must wick into the core of the hammer underneath the strike point. While applying it that way seems more cautious it may not accomplish what needs to be accomplished. Recall that Steinway dips the entire hammer into a solution. Another concern with the brush approach is that it can harden only the outer layers of felt and maybe only the very top of the hammer leaving the area under the strike point still too soft. That can create a weird effect where the piano is bright when you play it soft and dull when you play it loud. The hardness at the tip of the hammer gets swallowed up, as it were, when the underlying hammer structure collapses on loud playing. Anyway, so I’m an advocate for using a dropper of some sort and allowing the solution to wick in from the shoulders underneath the crown and then allow it to creep toward the crown stopping before it actually gets there. I’m especially careful at the bottom of the tenor bridge and the top of the bass bridge where end of the bridge effects can create some problems anyway. The treble section is different and letting it go to the crown is advisable in my view. I also use different strength solutions for different sections. The solids content dictates the solution generally but I use about 9:1 for the tenor and bass and about 6 or 7:1 for the treble (from about F5 up). David Love www.davidlovepianos.com From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of D Marie Jones Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:43 AM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hammer-Lac On the shoulders, just below the strike-point–app. 1/4" in total length on & just over the shoulder. The solution quickly soaks into the felt. I dip the paintbrush in the solution, wipe one of the brush sides on the solution jar lip and apply. Hence, there is not much solution in the brush (which I prefer). At the Steinway Touch & Tone course, Kent taught us to use just a small drop of solution directly onto the shoulder & let it soak in. D Marie Jones, RPT Kalamazoo College _____ From: davidlovepianos at comcast.net To: caut at ptg.org Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 07:30:20 -0800 Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hammer-Lac Where do you apply it with a paintbrush, what part of the hammer? David Love www.davidlovepianos.com From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of D Marie Jones Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 7:12 AM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hammer-Lac Hi Paul, I've used it with good success on Steinway hammers (new & older). Though the directions suggest a 4:1 thinning ratio (which I use on occasion when the tone is extremely "deadened", I prefer a weaker solution of 8:1 and build up slowly for very specific voicing. I apply a very small amount of the solution with an artist paintbrush (sized the width of the hammer head)–I feel this offers more control than the "drop" method–on the shoulders. I've had consistent results bringing up the tone in the 5th - 7th octaves, especially, when needed. D Marie Jones, RPT Kalamazoo College _____ To: caut at ptg.org From: pwilliams4 at unlnotes.unl.edu Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 12:27:11 -0600 Subject: [CAUT] Hammer-Lac Hi All, I just received a flyer in my package of new bi-chord agraffes for a product called "Hammer-Lac" Voicing Lacquer. Has anyone used this stuff yet? Curious, Paul _____ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/> Sign up now. _____ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. <http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/> Sign up now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/caut.php/attachments/20100218/0d16db5f/attachment-0001.htm>
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