I really bad with my piano...I haven't tuned it in at least a year... '-[ David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 Original message From: "Ed Sutton" To: Received: 2/21/2009 9:12:03 AM Subject: Re: [CAUT] professor tuning variables David- Personally, I have no opinion, I'll tune whatever you want. I was just curious if David I's opinion was based on experience or just opinion. I see the logical issues with UET and modulation, though I can also imagine the unexpected could be used creatively. It depends on how you conceive of modulation. ET assumes a pantographic process with linear changes in beat speed. UET presumably can use non-linearity to good effect. I'm a pluralist, so I don't hold anyone to either standard. Often I can't hear the difference. The temperament on my piano is mostly based on laziness. Nobody pays me when I tune my piano. I can tolerate just about anything except beating unisons and octaves. Ed S. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Love To: caut at ptg.org Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 11:54 AM Subject: Re: [CAUT] professor tuning variables Of course it’s all a matter of taste and the ability for one to actually perceive the difference (some people can’t) and/or boredom looking for something new, but I tend to agree with David that some/many jazz players want to be able to modulate between distant keys without the character changing significantly. A half step modulation from C to C# could produce quite a distinct difference in quality that many would reject. Similarly in some modern music with no tonal center there can be a similar reaction. Also, I find that with chords using lots of altered notes, controlled dissonances, added 9ths, 11ths, 13ths, that the outer keys with wide exaggerated third’s spacing just don’t sound that good and lose a certain sonority. As somebody who is a serious noodler in jazz idioms I find that while non equal temperaments provide a certain interest and break from the norm, it’s short lived and I quickly tire of what just sounds, well, out of tune. At least for anything but the most mild deviations. David Love www.davidlovepianos.com From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Ed Sutton Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:40 AM To: caut at ptg.org Subject: Re: [CAUT] professor tuning variables David- Have you ever tried playing jazz in any alternative temperaments? Ed S. ----- Original Message ----- From: David Ilvedson To: caut at ptg.org Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:18 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] professor tuning variables I play jazz and ET is the only thing I want to hear. Jazz has lots of improv, key changes...I sure don't want to hear a F-A at 7 bps change to 17 bps on a F# type chord...;-[ I can just see all those post, now, coming to the List with stories of how so and so jazz pianist loved this or that hysterical temperment and how he raved...I will not be impressed. Truthfully, I NEVER get a request for HT...OK, rarely...the pianoforte in a Young has been requested once... David Ilvedson, RPT Pacifica, CA 94044 Original message From: "Paul T Williams" To: caut at ptg.org Received: 2/20/2009 1:33:15 PM Subject: Re: [CAUT] professor tuning variables That might be fun to do sometime. only one of our piano faculty demands a Vilotti on the forte piano. What would be interesting for Jazz? Otherwise, everyone just expects ET all around. I'm not really interested in multiple temperaments all around the school for each instrument! And still, the rooms used for jazz are also used for other stuff! what to tune..................???? Maybe we're just too "down on the farm" for different temperaments; and to maintain these instruments changing back and forth is not good policy. Paul A440A at aol.com Sent by: caut-bounces at ptg.org 02/20/2009 02:39 PM Please respond to caut at ptg.org Tocaut at ptg..org cc SubjectRe: [CAUT] professor tuning variables Gerry asks: << I was wondering if anyone has ever done similar testing or experimentation in this area. >> Been doing it for years. Perhaps one out of 15 will prefer the ET, everybody else seems to think their pianos are more resonant and musical in a WT of some sort. REgards, Ed Foote RPT http://www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/index.html www.uk-piano.org/edfoote/well_tempered_piano.html <BR><BR><BR>**************<BR>A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1218822736x1201267884/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc% 3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62)</HTML> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://ptg.org/pipermail/caut_ptg.org/attachments/20090221/310b7415/attachment-0001.html>
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