[CAUT] historic temp thoughts

[Ed Sutton]

Choice of a common note for tuning could make a difference. (obviously if everyone tunes to E, E will be in tune).
But with meantone on the keyboard, tuning other instruments to C or A would give different results.

es
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: G Cousins 
  To: CAUT 
  Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 9:36 PM
  Subject: Re: [CAUT] historic temp thoughts


  Ed,
  Very good discussion and rehearsal today.
  Only challenges were waiting while the arch lute was tuning and a bit of intonation with modulations around E.
  Mostly noticeable with the recorder when she wasn't focusing. 
  All in all great run-through. I'll see if I can get a down loadable recording of some of the "tunes" after the performance.
  Thanks again to everyone for their assistance.
  Gerry C


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  From: ed440 at mindspring.com
  To: caut at ptg.org
  Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:24:16 -0500
  Subject: Re: [CAUT] historic temp thoughts


  Gerry-

  It sounds like you have a group that is willing to take some responsibility for intonation.
  That should be fun.
  My experience playing lute with larger ensembles was that it mostly provided "chiff," so tuning wasn't so crucial.

  Ed
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: G Cousins 
    To: CAUT 
    Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:27 PM
    Subject: Re: [CAUT] historic temp thoughts


    Ed,
    Continuo is with Archlute and Harpsichord.
    Professor (historical instrumentation/history PhD) is the lutenist/arch luteninst he's quite comfortable with historical tunings.
    We've been having the discussion. We've been hovering around a 1/4 comma MT adn it sounds as if that is the general concensus of the (CAUT) group.
    The ensemble has been working all semester toward this concert. I've been trying various temps to see what might fit best. They are a really good group and wiling to let me work with them. I do count my blessings. 
    There are a few more practices before dress. Concert is Friday.
    GC
     

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    From: ed440 at mindspring.com
    To: caut at ptg.org
    Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:05:37 -0500
    Subject: Re: [CAUT] historic temp thoughts


    Instrumentation?
    Lute and harpsichord together? 
    It will take a very clever lutenist to approximate meantone, though it can sometimes be done.
    And most modern recorders are tuned in ET.
    I think it would be wonderful to find an ensemble willing to really work on these problems.
    es
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Fred Sturm 
      To: caut at ptg.org 
      Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 12:42 PM
      Subject: Re: [CAUT] historic temp thoughts


      Standard tuning for that time and place would definitely be 1/4 comma mean tone. 
      Regards,
      Fred Sturm
      University of New Mexico
      fssturm at unm.edu




      On Nov 30, 2009, at 7:50 AM, G Cousins wrote:


        Gang,
        One of our groups is performing a concert of "New" Italian music from late 16th and early17th centuries.
        Traditional instruments are being used. Viola da Gamba, Lute, Archlute, Recorder(s), Harpsichord continuo. 
        I'm open to your thoughts on appropriate temperaments as this is looking to be lots of fun for all.
        Thanks in advance,
        Gerry Cousins
        WCUPA
         
        Program
        Sinfonia Seconda à 4 con 2 Bassi.................. Johannes Kapsperger (1580 - 1651)

        Dolcissimo sospiro................................................... Giulio Caccini (1551 – 1618)
        Gagliarda quarta........................................................... Anon. Neapolitan ca. 1620
        Gagliarda quinta............................................................ Anon Neapolitan ca. 1620
        Non più Guerra.......................................................................................... Caccini
        Con sorrisi cortesi......................................................... Jacopo Peri (1561 – 1633)
        Amarilli mia bella....................................................................................... Cacinni
        Canzona la Francese............................ Giovanni da Macque (ca. 1548/50 - 1614)
        Intenerite voi, lacrime mie................................................................................ Peri
        Canzona V (solo instrument and basso seguente) Giovanni Gabrieli (ca.1555 – 1612)
        Canzona quarta.......................................................................................... Gabrieli
        Lamento della Ninfa........................................ Claudio Monteverdi (1567 – 1643)
        Ben può chi vuol’à Re giugner appreso................................................ Kapsperger
        Occhi gratie d’Amore........................................................................... Kapsperger
        Ballo Secondo: Uscita.......................................................................... Kapsperger
        Ballo Secondo: Ballo............................................................................ Kapsperger
        Corrente Terza...................................................................................... Kapsperger
        Veri diletti............................................................................................ Kapsperger
        Alma Redemptoris Mater........................ Giovanni Felice Sances (c. 1600 – 1679)
        Jubliate Deo................................................... Giovanni Gabrieli (ca.1555 – 1612)
         








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