[CAUT] Compare, contrast, critique, anyone?

Shawn Brock shawnbrock at fuse.net
Fri Jun 6 07:24:47 MDT 2008


Oh yes...  I knew the pianos were not quite pianos!  I had reservations 
though about saying anything.  Fore one the playing was just to mechanical, 
the tone was unreliable and seemed to change to much depending on the 
velocity.  I thought it was possible that I was wrong, but me?  Never, I'm 
wrong about far more important things!  I also thought it was not fare for 
me to say anything, just because of my previous experience as a recording 
engineer.  I must admit I have used midi controllers a time or two, never 
liked it but...
Shawn
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kent Swafford" <kswafford at gmail.com>
To: "College and University Technicians" <caut at ptg.org>; "Pianotech List" 
<pianotech at ptg.org>
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 10:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Compare, contrast, critique, anyone?


> Decades ago Rachmaninov recorded his arrangement of Flight of the 
> Bumblebee on a reproducer. Years ago Wayne Stahnke converted the roll  and 
> others for a Telarc CD, Window in Time. As a part of promoting the 
> project, the Flight of the Bumblebee was distributed on the internet  as a 
> Disklavier file. The files I sent are made from this Rachmaninov 
> performance; the tempo is correct, or at least agrees with the CD. The  CD 
> track is at the following link:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00150I7HM/ref=dm_mu_dp_trk3
>
> So, the 3 MP3 files that I sent are all of the same Rachmaninov 
> performance, each playing a different software piano.
>
> bbgs  =  Garritan Steinway Virtual Grand, samples of a Steinway D 
> prepared with the cooperation and active participation of Steinway.
>
> bbig  =  Synthogy Ivory Italian Grand, samples of a 10' Fazioli
>
> bbpt  =  Modartt Pianoteq 2, modeled piano, no real piano involved
>
> These software pianos, in the hands of real recording engineers, are  the 
> state of the art in digital pianos.
>
> Those who are accustomed to listening to software pianos can usually  spot 
> them when they hear them. There is something not quite right when  a 
> software piano tries to play the sound of an already-vibrating  string 
> being struck again by a hammer; this is quite noticeable in  fast repeated 
> notes, and IMO this is why this performance might not  have sounded 
> "real".
>
> That said, these software pianos are quite good and are very playable  in 
> that they respond well to dynamics.
>
> As is clear from everyone's comments, these software pianos also have 
> difficulty maintaining correct timbre and balance through the scale  and 
> through the dynamic range. I thought that the high treble of the  Pianoteq 
> would be a dead giveaway -- not a real piano. I guess even  pianos have a 
> relatively large range of timbres that may be recognized  as _piano_.
>
> Thanks everyone. Listen again and say what you think _now_, if you like.
>
>
> Kent
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2008, at 9:25 PM, Kent Swafford wrote:
>
>> Anyone care to listen to 3 Flights of the Bumblebee, and say what  you 
>> think of each?
>>
>>
>> http://www.kentswafford.com/mp3/bbgs.mp3
>>
>> http://www.kentswafford.com/mp3/bbig.mp3
>>
>> http://www.kentswafford.com/mp3/bbpt.mp3
>>
>>
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>>
>> Kent
>>
> 



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