[CAUT] My take on them, (was The "new" S&S Hammers).

Richard Brekne ricb at pianostemmer.no
Thu Sep 20 14:05:43 MDT 2007


Hi Jeff.

I have to admit I agree with very much of your thinking, and will go a 
long ways down that road.  I give the pianist quite a bit of credit for 
knowing what they have purchased and why.  I do not, especially now 
after giving at least 10 years benefit of the doubt to those who make 
the most of the marketing argument for the success of some piano 
manufactures, in the end conclude that pianists are so fickle as to be 
completely unaware of the response picture they are after and who 
supplies that for them.  True enough there is a fair share of 
irrationality involved... but just so.

I find quite the opposite that despite the <<its not a Steinway>> 
syndrome in all its many variances...  pianists by and large have a 
clear and concise (if largely intuitive based) conception of what 
response they want from an instrument for any given touch. When their 
fingers engage the keys they know on some level or another quite 
precisely what they want/expect to come back at them from the piano. 

There should be no doubt in anyones mind that different manufacturers 
have their own sound.  That accepted... it should be no suprise that 
pianists themselves display distinct preferences for different piano 
types exactly because of these differences and their own expectations. 
Taken one step further... sensitive pianists will have a clear idea of 
what a <<good>> Steinway or a <<good>> Yamaha or any other make is when 
they select an instrument.

All this said...  I do not believe we should be afraid of changing 
hammer types, altering touch weights or enacting any other basic 
changes.  Sometimes this is exactly what an instrument needs to fully 
live up to exactly those same expectations the pianist has for the 
instrument.

When I stated earlier I believe we should all first and foremost learn 
to become very proficient at our own voicing style... I was referring 
more to how one voices a hammer rather then the end result.  I'll grant 
the two are somewhat intertwined... but a long ways from fully so.

As far as Draconian design changes are concerned... well my position on 
that is well documented :)  I really have no problem with that as long 
as such changes are made in accordance with standard practices of making 
fully obvious on the instrument that it is a custom design no longer 
representative of a stock issue whatever.  I do agree completely that 
passing off an instrument as a Steinway, Yamaha, Bechstein... or 
whatever else when its basic design parameters are so altered as to 
render the original character of the instrument totally erased is 
tantamount to fraud... and that is as kind a way to put it as I can.  
Where that border goes is a bit dubious.  I can state however that David 
Stanwood requires that his logo be attached on any Stanwood-ized  
instrument.... and I expect it is out of respect for this ethic.... and 
because its downright good advertising as well.

Cheers
RicB


    Dave,
    With all due respect, I think you may misunderstand what Mrs.  
    Customer believes she owns.  If it says Steinway on the fallboard,  
    she expects it to be as authentically Steinway as possible - that it  
    is not just a replica, but a clone of the instruments the artists  
    play.  She also expects her technician to speak and understand  
    Steinway.  Once it has lost any of that authenticity, she accepts  
    that it is no longer what it once was.  Whether or not we want to  
    admit it, if it is no longer authentic, it loses value in her mind.   
    If a potential buyer were to learn that it is not authentic, it loses  
    value in his mind as well.  There is indeed more at issue here than  
    our own artistry and pride.

    Yes, there is a large variance in what is possible with touch weight,  
    response and tone.  But changing the hammers changes the complete  
    character.  It will never be capable of that sound that is  
    authentically Steinway (or Yamaha or whoever).  That is what it loses.

    And I completely disagree with the assertion that the manufacturer no  
    longer owns it.  They own every patent, every design and every  
    process which has earned the reputation sought by buyers of the name  
    on the fallboard.  That name on the fallboard is definitely their  
    property.  It is the identity on which their future business is  
    built.  If we profit by changing any part of the product wearing that  
    name, well, some industries would consider that fraudulent.  Were you  
    the purchaser of a prescription drug or a food that someone had  
    altered after it was stamped ready for market you would quickly  
    disagree with your philosophy.  If it is discovered that drugs are  
    tampered with after they leave the manufacturer, it is that  
    manufacturer that suffers the losses incurred, even if the  
    perpetrator is caught and put in jail.  Let's say we own a small  
    business which makes paint, but can't afford our own cans and labels  
    to store it in, and so we collect empty paint cans with other  
    manufacturer's names on the can - maybe we make interior paint and  
    put it in an old Sherwin Williams exterior paint can and sell it as  
    Sherwin Williams exterior paint.  We are misrepresenting the product  
    in the can and taking advantage of the established name to profit.

    The customer thinks he is buying Sherwin Williams exterior paint.

    It is the same.



     > Neither, btw, should you be concerned about manufacturer identity.   
     > No matter what you do, you will not turn a Yamaha into a Steinway  
     > or a Steinway into a Yamaha.

    I'm sorry.  I completely disagree.  My experience is that Mrs.  
    customer was quite concerned about manufacturer identity when she  
    bought her piano.  One may not be able to turn a Yamaha into a  
    Steinway or vice versa, but one can definitely turn it into something  
    that is no longer represented by the name on the fallboard.  It  
    becomes a rebuilt, generic instrument with a false identity.   
    Something like me claiming to a business degree from Yale, when it is  
    actually from the University of Georgia.  While UGA patterned itself  
    very much after Yale, Yale it is not.

    I'm just not comfortable wearing that hat.



    Jeff Tanner, RPT
    University of South Carolina



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