Hi Wim If the pin is really too loose to hold, continuous heavy blows to the key would likely make the pitch go down, down, down. You can try putting a tuning hammer on the pin and flicking the pin flatwise (not too hard) with the back of the hand during the test, just to be sure. If it stabilizes not too far from the correct pitch you may have another problem. Other problems may include a hammer shank wobble, causing the string in question not to get a good test blow during tuning even though spacing seems ok (this applies usually to strings on outsides of unisons). If the string has rendering issues you may have to use much harder test blows to stabilize it during tuning than you might think. A little ProTek on the agraffe or capo may alleviate rendering problems just enough to get stability. There certainly are such things as loose tuning pins, but, in my experience, pins that aren't absolutely obviously loose will hold given well aligned and firmly pinned hammer shanks and an enthusiastic tuning technique. By the way, I am of the hard-test-blow persuasion (advisedly, I think) for all tuning. Bill Schneider -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of Willem Blees Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2006 4:00 PM To: CAUT Subject: [CAUT] pin tightness Does a marginally loose tunig pin cause the string to go out of tune during heavy playing? On the D in the concert hall, I had to replace a pin that was damaged during the vandalism 4 years ago. The string has long since stretched, but it goes out of tune too much, especially during heavy playing. The pin has probably about 35" - 40" pounds on it. (I haven't measured it, but that is what it feels like). Comments, opinions. Wim Willem Blees, RPT Piano Tuner/Technician School of Music University of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL USA
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