Well, then, the R&D must be quite please to have "inferior" glues used on repairs on their pianos, and on their rebuilds. That sounds like they're shooting their foot. That must be why bureaucrats manage to make big bucks and I manage to stay relatively close to poverty. I don't understand logic. Oh well. I'm old, too....... thanks les -----Original Message----- From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]On Behalf Of Don Mannino Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:29 AM To: College and University Technicians Subject: RE: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) Jim, Low blow, that one. Les, Because our R&D laboratory worked with the glue maker for specific properties, they feel that this glue is a proprietary material that they do not want sold and potentially used by other companies. I sent a request to the Laboratory last night, trying to persuade them to let us sell the glue to individual technicians, but for the aforementioned reason, I don't expect them to allow us to buy it. Don Mannino > -----Original Message----- > From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On > Behalf Of Jim Busby > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:34 AM > To: l-bartlett@sbcglobal.net; College and University Technicians > Subject: RE: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > > Les, > > Don't ask. Trust me... > > Jim Busby BYU > > -----Original Message----- > From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On > Behalf Of Leslie Bartlett > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:07 PM > To: College and University Technicians > Subject: RE: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > Why can't we get the Kawai > glue???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > les bartlett > > -----Original Message----- > From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]On > Behalf Of Don Mannino > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:20 PM > To: College and University Technicians > Subject: RE: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > > Hey Everyone, > > Not to get a big debate going, but I feel that there are > tonal benefits to using the right glue for hammers. This > doesn't mean I would dogmatically say that there is only one > good glue for hammers, but I do feel that some are better than others. > > Generally, what Kawai has found is that a glue that sets with > a very hard and brittle glue collar adds to the rigidity of > the hammer / shank system at the most flexible point. There > are resin glues which have additives which make the glue set > harder, such as Andre Bolduc's glue. Good quality hot hide > glue is also very good in terms of hardness. The poor grades > also dry hard, but they just don't bond as reliably. > > If this Tite-Bond Molding glue dries nice and hard, then it > might be a very good glue - it all depends on their formula. > Let a small drop of glue harden on something, and feel it > after a few days. If your fingernail can dig into it, then > I'd suggest using something harder. If it seems good and > hard, though, maybe it's a good choice. > > The Kawai production pianos use a semi-clear resin glue that > dries quite hard, but not as hard as hot hide. The EX pianos > use a special hot hide glue that a small glue maker in Japan > brews special for our R&D department - I haven't been able to > get any for myself. Maybe I should try to buy a few Kilos of > it and sell it through Kawai's parts department. Knowing our > laboratory, though, they'd charge crazy high prices for it. > > Don Mannino RPT > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On > Behalf Of > > Alan McCoy > > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:48 AM > > To: College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org> > > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > > > > > Yes absolutely. The molding glue sets up very fast. Perfect for > > dampers. Sets up too fast for me for hammers though. > > > > Alan > > > > -- Alan McCoy, RPT > > Eastern Washington University > > amccoy@mail.ewu.edu > > 509-359-4627 > > > > > > > From: Keith Roberts <kpiano@goldrush.com> > > > Reply-To: "College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org>" > > > <caut@ptg.org> > > > Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:48:27 -0800 > > > To: "College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org>" > > <caut@ptg.org> > > > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > > > > > Can you dab some on the damper heads, set the felts into > > it, make sure > > > they are aligned, press them down, recheck alignment and > > set it down > > > and go to the next one assured that it's not moving? > > > > > > kpiano > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chris Solliday" <solliday@ptd.net> > > > To: <johnsond@stolaf.edu>; "College and University Technicians" > > > <caut@ptg.org> > > > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > > > > > > > >> List, I don't know why you all use this sticky old stuff > > for hammers > > > anyway. > > >> Tite-bond Molding Glue doesn't drip, makes a nice clear when dry > > >> collar, doesn't fail, is easy to remove, and did I mention > > it doesn't > > >> stink. OH > > > and > > >> you can get it from Pianotek too. > > >> Chris Solliday > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Dennis Johnson" <johnsond@stolaf.edu> > > >> To: "College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org> > > >> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:36 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > >> > > >> > > >>> Michelle- > > >>> > > >>> Generally Pianotek sells a high quality glue. I don't > > pretend to be > > >>> an expect on the stuff, but there is a variation of fat > content. > > >>> Overall, the lighter the color the leaner and higher > > quality it is. > > >>> I have some old dark colored stuff I avoid using, but > keep around > > >>> anyway. You can also tell by the smell. The good > stuff doesn't > > >>> smell so bad. In the end you should be able to make it > work, but > > >>> maybe it was a bad batch. > > >>> > > >>> Dennis Johnson > > >>> St. Olaf College > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > _______________________________________________ > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > _______________________________________________ > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > _______________________________________________ > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > _______________________________________________ caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives
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