Jim, Low blow, that one. Les, Because our R&D laboratory worked with the glue maker for specific properties, they feel that this glue is a proprietary material that they do not want sold and potentially used by other companies. I sent a request to the Laboratory last night, trying to persuade them to let us sell the glue to individual technicians, but for the aforementioned reason, I don't expect them to allow us to buy it. Don Mannino > -----Original Message----- > From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On > Behalf Of Jim Busby > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 8:34 AM > To: l-bartlett@sbcglobal.net; College and University Technicians > Subject: RE: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > > Les, > > Don't ask. Trust me... > > Jim Busby BYU > > -----Original Message----- > From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On > Behalf Of Leslie Bartlett > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:07 PM > To: College and University Technicians > Subject: RE: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > Why can't we get the Kawai > glue???????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > les bartlett > > -----Original Message----- > From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org]On > Behalf Of Don Mannino > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:20 PM > To: College and University Technicians > Subject: RE: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > > Hey Everyone, > > Not to get a big debate going, but I feel that there are > tonal benefits to using the right glue for hammers. This > doesn't mean I would dogmatically say that there is only one > good glue for hammers, but I do feel that some are better than others. > > Generally, what Kawai has found is that a glue that sets with > a very hard and brittle glue collar adds to the rigidity of > the hammer / shank system at the most flexible point. There > are resin glues which have additives which make the glue set > harder, such as Andre Bolduc's glue. Good quality hot hide > glue is also very good in terms of hardness. The poor grades > also dry hard, but they just don't bond as reliably. > > If this Tite-Bond Molding glue dries nice and hard, then it > might be a very good glue - it all depends on their formula. > Let a small drop of glue harden on something, and feel it > after a few days. If your fingernail can dig into it, then > I'd suggest using something harder. If it seems good and > hard, though, maybe it's a good choice. > > The Kawai production pianos use a semi-clear resin glue that > dries quite hard, but not as hard as hot hide. The EX pianos > use a special hot hide glue that a small glue maker in Japan > brews special for our R&D department - I haven't been able to > get any for myself. Maybe I should try to buy a few Kilos of > it and sell it through Kawai's parts department. Knowing our > laboratory, though, they'd charge crazy high prices for it. > > Don Mannino RPT > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On > Behalf Of > > Alan McCoy > > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:48 AM > > To: College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org> > > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > > > > > Yes absolutely. The molding glue sets up very fast. Perfect for > > dampers. Sets up too fast for me for hammers though. > > > > Alan > > > > -- Alan McCoy, RPT > > Eastern Washington University > > amccoy@mail.ewu.edu > > 509-359-4627 > > > > > > > From: Keith Roberts <kpiano@goldrush.com> > > > Reply-To: "College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org>" > > > <caut@ptg.org> > > > Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2006 20:48:27 -0800 > > > To: "College and University Technicians <caut@ptg.org>" > > <caut@ptg.org> > > > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > > > > > Can you dab some on the damper heads, set the felts into > > it, make sure > > > they are aligned, press them down, recheck alignment and > > set it down > > > and go to the next one assured that it's not moving? > > > > > > kpiano > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Chris Solliday" <solliday@ptd.net> > > > To: <johnsond@stolaf.edu>; "College and University Technicians" > > > <caut@ptg.org> > > > Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > > > > > > > >> List, I don't know why you all use this sticky old stuff > > for hammers > > > anyway. > > >> Tite-bond Molding Glue doesn't drip, makes a nice clear when dry > > >> collar, doesn't fail, is easy to remove, and did I mention > > it doesn't > > >> stink. OH > > > and > > >> you can get it from Pianotek too. > > >> Chris Solliday > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "Dennis Johnson" <johnsond@stolaf.edu> > > >> To: "College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org> > > >> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:36 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [CAUT] Hot Hide glue woes (??) > > >> > > >> > > >>> Michelle- > > >>> > > >>> Generally Pianotek sells a high quality glue. I don't > > pretend to be > > >>> an expect on the stuff, but there is a variation of fat > content. > > >>> Overall, the lighter the color the leaner and higher > > quality it is. > > >>> I have some old dark colored stuff I avoid using, but > keep around > > >>> anyway. You can also tell by the smell. The good > stuff doesn't > > >>> smell so bad. In the end you should be able to make it > work, but > > >>> maybe it was a bad batch. > > >>> > > >>> Dennis Johnson > > >>> St. Olaf College > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > > _______________________________________________ > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > > _______________________________________________ > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives > _______________________________________________ > caut list info: https://www.moypiano.com/resources/#archives >
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