[CAUT] Werkmeister in Jorgensen

[Becker, Lawrence (beckerlr)]

Thanks to all.  I had two different versions and wanted to get an
authoritative check.  I had entered (apparently incorrectly) a version
into my pocket RCT, because Dean doesn't seem to include it in the
standard HTs.  But since, as you all collectively pointed out, Dave
Carpenter's version gibes with Jason Kanter's, that's good enough for
me.

 

It just seemed like it had to be _somewhere_ in Tuning.

 

Thanks for the additional sources and aural instructions.  I should now
be considered armed and historically dangerous.

 

Lawrence Becker, RPT

Piano Technician

College-Conservatory of Music

University of Cincinnati

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From: caut-bounces at ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces at ptg.org] On Behalf Of
Fred Sturm
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 6:51 PM
To: College and University Technicians
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Werkmeister in Jorgensen

 

            Strangely this very common temperament doesn't seem to be in
Jorgenson's Tuning (sometimes his indexing can be frustrating, so I
could have missed it). However, I'll confirm the figures Ken gives based
on a couple other sources. Interestingly, Chip Miller's web site (Chip
worked with Avery Todd on temperament stuff, and did an amazing
compilation of temperament offsets at http://www.pianolit.com/tuning/)
has completely different figures. I have found his stuff very accurate
until this one. Chip lists his source as Barbour (J Murray, Tuning and
Temperaments) which seems to have disappeared from our library.  Hmmm,
always check everything. Someone made a mistake, between Chip and J
Murray I think. Another good website for temperament offsets is
http://www.katsurashareware.com/temperaments/temperaments.html.

            While looking on the shelf (I badly needed a break from
pitch lowering) I ran across a new book on the topic, A Guide to Musical
Temperament, by Thomas Donahue, Scare Crow Press, 2005. Looks like a
great reference book. Well-organized, and lots of background information
and the data needed to figure things out yourself if you are so
inclined.

            Aural instructions, minimized:

CF, FA#, A#D#, D#G#,G#C#, C#F# all pure 5ths or 4ths. FA 2 bps. AE pure.
EB pure (which makes BF# wide 2 bps). You've got D and G left to tune. 

Tune DA wide P4 about 2 bps. GD narrow P5 1.5 bps, and CG should be wide
P4 2 bps. Check FA, CE, DA, GD, CG, BF# all beat about the same (1.5 to
2 bps).

            It's a very simple temperament, with 8 pure 5th/4ths, 4
tempered ones. Tune pure 4th/5ths down through the circle of 5ths from C
to F#, then a wide tempered 4th to B, then two more pure 4th/5ths, then
three wide/narrow tempered. 

Regards,

Fred Sturm

University of New Mexico

fssturm at unm.edu

 





 

On Aug 15, 2006, at 2:37 PM, Jeff Tanner wrote:





These are also in Appendix B of the SAT III Operating Manual, except
rounded to one decimal point.  Temperament 13 is preprogrammed to
Werckmeister with the same offsets below.

Jeff T

 

 

On Aug 15, 2006, at 3:28 PM, Ken Zahringer wrote:





I don't have Tuning, but the Werckmeister III is in my Verituner, and
Dave Carpenter said he got all his data from Jorgensen.  The offsets I
have are:

A   0.00
A#  +7.82
B   +3.91
C   +11.73
C#  +1.96
D   +3.91
D#  +5.87
E   +1.96
F   +9.78
F#  0.00
G   +7.82
G#  +3.91

Hope this helps,
Ken Z.


On 8/15/06 1:12 PM, "Becker, Lawrence (beckerlr)"
<BECKERLR at UCMAIL.UC.EDU> wrote:




Does anyone know if Jorgensen gives instructions and/or offsets for
tuning Werkmeister III in Tuning?  I can't find it from the indices.
 
Thanks in advance
 
Lawrence Becker, RPT
Piano Technician
College-Conservatory of Music
University of Cincinnati





-- 
Ken Zahringer, RPT
Piano Technician
MU School of Music
297 Fine Arts
882-1202
cell 489-7529

 

 

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