[CAUT] Consultants, was CA for loose pins on a "D"?

Barbara Richmond piano57@flash.net
Tue, 19 Apr 2005 13:31:06 -0500


Jeff, Joseph,

Of course, we are the consultants *and* educators.  But withholding
services can backfire--the school or institution can always get a second
opinion.   I came by a very nice position because another technician was
doing exactly that.  (Sorry, no details, it's a long story and not
appropriate for publication.)  My point is if you've done all you can for an
instrument, you've done all you can--and then nature can take its course.

Barbara Richmond, RPT

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Tanner" <jtanner@mozart.sc.edu>
To: "College and University Technicians" <caut@ptg.org>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [CAUT] Consultants, was CA for loose pins on a "D"?


>I agree with Joseph here.  There is no one -- not one person at your
>university - who is serving as a piano inventory consultant unless it is
>us.  That should be a part of each of our job descriptions.  Who are we
>going to leave consultation up to if it is not to the experts?  We are
>indeed the "senior consultants".  If we are not being viewed as such, there
>is a serious problem in the system.
>
> Jeff T
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 17, 2005, at 09:06 AM, Joseph D. Gotta, RPT wrote:
>
>> OK, I wasn't so much encouraging, 'forcing the hand of the school' as
>> avoiding ENABLING them to continue ignoring a crippled failing concert
>> instrument while they continue to allocate funds to million dollar
>> landscaping projects. Yes CA glue will make the piano tunable but what
>> about the loose bridge pins, cracked soundboard, excessive false beats,
>> etc... As a university technician your job of course is 'to help an
>> instrument hold the tune' but also to guide them in the direction of
>> excellence. Patching and rigging a concert instrument for minimum
>> adequacy runs the risk of underestimating the desire and ability of the
>> school to achieve that high degree of excellence. The old saying
>> 'necessity is the mother of invention' comes to mind. Numerous times
>> I've seen institutions suddenly 'find' the means to do what needs to be
>> done, or patrons step up to the challenge and fund new pianos or rebuild
>> work. Yes communication is important, but sometimes standing back and
>> allowing nature to take its course is one of the most effective tools we
>> have.
>>
>> Joseph D. Gotta RPT
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of
>> Barbara Richmond
>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 10:41 AM
>> To: College and University Technicians
>> Subject: Re: [CAUT] CA for loose pins on a "D"?
>>
>> I agree on the need for a good instrument, but, I have a bit of a
>> problem
>> with trying to force the hand of the school.  Did Cy say the school is
>> awash
>> in cash?   Is there really harm in helping an instrument hold the tune?
>> I
>> believe as a university technician, my job was (was, because I moved
>> away)
>> to explain the choices available--especially when the choices involved a
>> lot
>> of money.
>>
>> My recommendation, Cy, is communicate!  Explain the situation as best
>> you
>> can.  Explain what you *can* or *might be able to accomplish* and
>> include
>> that what you can do is not the end all solution, they had better start
>> raising the funds for the big fix or purchase--if that is the case.
>> This
>> type of approach sure has turned out to be the road to success for me.
>>
>> Barbara Richmond, RPT
>> Braden Auditorium at Illinois State University
>>
>> PS  I just used CA on a B for a financially strapped institution.  They
>> were
>> extremely happy to have use of the instrument again.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joseph D. Gotta, RPT
>> To: 'College and University Technicians'
>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2005 7:35 AM
>> Subject: RE: [CAUT] CA for loose pins on a "D"?
>>
>>
>>
>>          Having said all that, if the piano is in a more environmentally
>> friendly home now, doing any sort of repair may be doing the college a
>> disservice as well as shooting yourself in the foot at the same time.
>> The
>> fact of the matter is that the college students need a top of the line
>> instrument such as this one has the potential to be, the faculty needs
>> it,
>> and the college is awash in cash to do the job if they decide to
>> adequate
>> the funds. Repairs may only deny the students and faculty a better
>> instrument for an extended period of time. Sometimes allowing them to
>> suffer
>> a poorly performing piano is the right thing to do. It allows them to
>> keep
>> the incentive to do what they both need and can afford, rebuild.
>>
>> Joseph D. Gotta RPT
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: caut-bounces@ptg.org [mailto:caut-bounces@ptg.org] On Behalf Of Cy
>> Shuster
>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 10:20 PM
>> To: CAUT
>> Subject: [CAUT] CA for loose pins on a "D"?
>>
>> I've been studying piano technology for ten years, on and off (I've
>> passed
>> the RPT written exam), and have been tuning professionally for a year
>> and a
>> half.  I've applied to North Bennet St. for this fall.
>>
>> I was just asked to take care of an S&S D for a local community college.
>> It's 1917 vintage (played by Rachmaninoff at one time!), and rebuilt by
>> Steinway about ten years ago.  It's suffering from humidity damage: 8"
>> crack
>> in the soundboard behind and under the treble bridge and elsewhere,
>> false
>> beats in the low tenor (loose bridge pins?), and loose tuning pins in
>> the
>> bass.  One or two are so loose I was tempted to mute them, for fear they
>> wouldn't survive a concert.
>>
>> Of the needed repairs, the only one's I'm qualified to do are to CA the
>> loose pins, which I've done successfully three times previously.  I'll
>> happily do this on someone's no-name, 100-year-old, 4'8" neonatal grand
>> with
>> rusty strings, but I want to ask for advice before doing anything
>> irreversible to an instrument of this caliber.  I can do the repair
>> without
>> side effects, I'm sure (I pull the action and use copious amounts of
>> plastic
>> tarps), but still...
>>
>> Is the right thing to do to simply write up a report and say that it
>> needs a
>> new pinblock, bridge cap, and at least epoxy in the soundboard cracks?
>> Or
>> let Steinway re-evaluate it?  Is it better to pull the loose pins and
>> shim
>> with sandpaper or veneer rather than risking CA?  Will Steinway scoff if
>> they get a CA'd pinblock to replace?
>>
>> Side note: it has a disassembled DC system... sigh...
>>
>> --Cy Shuster--
>> Bluefield, WV
>>
>>
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