Steinway "pinning" dilemma

Fred Sturm fssturm@unm.edu
Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:09:04 -0600


Thanks for the feedback, Don. I wonder how many keystrokes an average 18 
hour a day practice room piano gets? Hard to guess. Humidity drop of 40% 
plus might be the biggest factor. I do most of my pinning in the summer, 
when it's highest.
	I'd love to use a long piece of music wire for burnishing, but where am I 
going to get one of proper diameter? What I keep in stock goes only to #21, 
which is .047. I could buy larger sizes, but Pianotek shows 23, 24 and 25 
as being .051, .055, and .059 (and doesn't list half sizes. I don't have my 
Schaff catalogue handy). And anyway, I hate to buy a pound for a couple 
feet of wire. Is there another source?
	Yes, I guess those bad broaches did probably come from APSCO. I have found 
them usable with modification - don't ever let the saw teeth near the felt, 
just made my own rough area farther down. But mostly I use my other set. I 
like the handles provided just fine, but they're much too bulky for the 
tool case. I'm glad to hear that up to .055 is available now. I guess it's 
been a quite a few years since I bothered to check.
Regards,
Fred Sturm
University of New Mexico

--On Friday, October 3, 2003 7:56 AM -0700 Don Mannino 
<dmannino@kawaius.com> wrote:

> Hey Fred (and list),
>
> I sort of figured you were putting more friction there in compensation
> for conditions.  They should not loosen up as much as you said, though -
> an average of .5 gram resistance drop in hammer flanges after 20,000
> keystrokes is what I found when testing the process.  If the cloth isn't
> very good that could make it worse, or if the broaches are too rough.
>
> On the next repinning job you do on parts that are not too old, try
> using only a 2 foot long stretch of music wire to burnish only.  Just
> sharpen an end, then drag each part over the long wire.  If you are not
> having to change the pin size up more than .001, then this burnishing
> can be enough to create a firm and stable center with low friction (2 -
> 4 grams), even under heavy use.
>
> The rough broaches you received were not made correctly - they sound
> like the ones APSCO was selling, which were wrong and did not follow my
> design.  You should not continue to use them - they should be trashed.
>
> Schaff is making the sets with 8 broaches now, the smallest is .048 and
> the larges .055.  These have been available for a couple of years now.
> Be sure to run the broach onto the part all the way to the handle, so
> that the rough area simply scuffs by the bushing as you run it on and
> off.
>
> I agree, the handles don't need to be as big as Schaff makes them, but I
> sort of like the shape of them.
>
> Don
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Fred Sturm [mailto:fssturm@unm.edu]
>> Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 6:40 AM
>> To: College and University Technicians
>> Subject: RE: Steinway "pinning" dilemma
>>
>>
>> Hi Don,
>> 	I agree that for most purposes, 8 grams of friction in
>> a shank would be
>> excessive. I should have qualified the number:
>> 1) Only on high use grands
>> 2) with heavy-ish hammers
>> 3) bass to tenor area
>> 4) when  done during high end of humidity cycle
>> 5) in conjunction with application of Protek
>> 6) with a cross check of minimum three swings
>> 	I have found a fairly rapid drop in friction after
>> re-pinning, somewhat
>> similar to drop in torque when stringing, where after two to
>> three months
>> (granted, of heavy use, and possibly drop in humidity),
>> friction will drop
>> by at least a couple grams, and number of swings will
>> increase from three
>> to five, from four to seven, or so. In a sense, what I am doing is
>> "floating" frictional parameters - making it too tight to
>> begin with so it
>> will be right longer. And removing as little felt as possible
>> to preserve
>> the bushings as long as possible. I typically use 3 to 5
>> grams for home or
>> low use. And maybe my dry climate and low air pollution has a
>> big effect on
>> efficacy of these parameters.
>> 	I do use a commonly available set of tools known as
>> "Mannino broaches"
>> (hmmm, maybe some relative of yours, Don <g>), and rough up
>> the felt as
>> little as possible, in conjunction with solid burnishing.
>> BTW, I have found
>> those broaches can vary quite a bit. I bought two sets over
>> time, one for
>> home, one for school, and the first set was great. The second
>> had extreme
>> roughness in the cuttin area - real deep spirals. Not hard to
>> get around. I
>> just made my own rough spots a little down the wire, and
>> don't get into the
>> pre-made rough. But it may be something to watch for. Also,
>> the same second
>> set had nasty burrs by the sharpened end, so that it would
>> cut felt while
>> being inserted in the bushing (easily removed with a file or
>> sandpaper).
>> 	As long as I'm on the subject, I like to replace the
>> rather bulky handles
>> with home made ones out of 1/8" dowel. This is plenty of
>> handle for the
>> purpose, and allows me to carry the set with me in a very
>> compact kit made
>> of a small square of firm corrugated cardboard - just press
>> the broaches
>> through the corrugations (don't insert in the corrugation
>> holes, go cross
>> wise and puncture each corugation). The square goes with my nice new
>> pinning tool by Mike Calahan (boy is it nice to have zero
>> wobble/side play.
>> Definitely my favorite purchase from the Dallas convention)
>> and pin nippers
>> into a small pouch made of mackintosh.
>> 	One more thought: I sure wish there were two more sizes
>> in these broach
>> kits - up to 22 1/2 centerpin (.055). And I sure wish action
>> makers would
>> revert to starting off with 19 centerpins, instead of 20.5 or
>> so. Regards, Fred Sturm University of New Mexico
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