Fwd: Bearing difference on different soundboards

Erwinspiano@aol.com Erwinspiano@aol.com
Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:53:51 EST


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In a message dated 2/2/2003 2:54:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, Erwinspiano=20
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> Subj: Re: Bearing difference on different soundboards=20
>  Date: 2/2/2003 2:54:41 PM Pacific Standard Time
>  From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:Erwinspiano">Erwinspiano</A>
>  To: <A HREF=3D"mailto:oleg-i@wanadoo.fr">oleg-i@wanadoo.fr</A>
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> In a message dated 2/2/2003 7:36:12 AM Pacific Standard Time,=20
> oleg-i@wanadoo.fr writes:
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> >> Subj: RE: Bearing difference on different soundboards=20
>> Date: 2/2/2003 7:36:12 AM Pacific Standard Time
>> From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:oleg-i@wanadoo.fr">oleg-i@wanadoo.fr</A>
>> To: <A HREF=3D"mailto:Erwinspiano@aol.com">Erwinspiano@aol.com</A>
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>> Thanks much , a very good view.
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>> I understand that if we see, for instance 1/4 inch crown from below the=20
>> board, that does not really mean that having 1/4 distance bearing at the=20
>> string rest will absorb the whole crown, it depends of the back string=20
>> length vs. the speaking length.
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>   >>That's right it won't absorb it all if there is an strength to resist.=
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> However in a very flexible board it could completely deflect under the=20
> load.
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>> Do you use this as a "rule of thumb" , or do you go thru that computation=
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>> about rear length to know how much distance is allowed before the board=20
>> reverse crown ? (as suggested by Nick Gravagne in the articles he write)
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>    Nick printed an article about how to compute angle of deflection with n=
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> load but it doesn't take into account the amount of soundboard squash as=20
> the strings go on. I use a pre-stressing of the board  method of bearing=20
> which is described very thoroughly in the archives or read august 1995 ptj=
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> by John  Hartman "The effects of downbearing on tone" A must read. Actuall=
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> four articles.
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>> The basic idea of my original post is that as we aim for internal tension=
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>> in the board to produce a good tonal response, we may use the more=20
>> appropriated process when bearing, and that the bearing on cc crowned=20
>> board with nod add that tension (at last in the bass and medium), while o=
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>> rib crowned boards, internal tension is very low before down bearing is=20
>> applied (unless it is build when you glue the board on its perimeter.
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>  >>I don't understand the thought here. I'm sorry could you clarify.
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>> I am very far from truth, or just a little bit .>)=20
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> >>You're on the right track my friend
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>> We too see bearing load applied regularly but without relation to crown=20
>> often, and often too I see too much bearing in the killer zone, that tend=
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>> to deform even more the panel.  The Bob Grihalva add on seem to help well=
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>> and the result is very clear (cleaner tone and better sustain).
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> >>>Me too. What's a Bob Grihalva add on.
>  Can we post our e-mails on caut for the benifit of others. It's completel=
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> up to you .It's OK with me except delete the refrence to Stephens secret=20
> device.
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>> Have a nice Sunday
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> ... And too you---Dale Erwin
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> Extra room here. 2 hours from yosemite.
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>> Stephen is looking for a good place where to have his eyelets made=20
>> actually they are too expensive to be sold.  his string rests are tunable=
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>> on a 3mm zone (1.5 high,1.5 down) , and are 5mm tall, but as they have to=
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>> be installed on a metal support to be moved, the final height is more of=20=
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>> Steinway aliquot scale actually.
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>> Best Regards, form snowy Paris !
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